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From: (Anonymous)

Aww... I like that. He would just keep it to himself, wouldn't he? It's funny how we do that. :)

I've got this idea that maybe Mike and Foggy went out for drinks, had a good time, and Foggy had no idea... (or to a party - not sure if they're over 21? I heard somewhere that they're supposed to be about 30 in the series, so that would, by my reasoning make them well over 21 - law school is only 3 years... even if you add the undergraduate degree, they're still 22-23 years old. That in itself makes me wonder what they did career-wise in between...) Anyway, maybe it was after he'd had a few that Mike slipped up... Either he looked Foggy in the eye or checked out some girl... Maybe he opened his wallet and his bills weren't folded, but he paid anyway, whatever works... Oh, and of course 'Matt' didn't go straight back to the dorms with Foggy (because Matt would be there asleep), which rubbed him as odd. *shrugs*

'nite!

From: (Anonymous)

I like that idea. Not only because it would be a valid reason for Mike to slip up (I figure he;s probably pretty careful about not doing that most of the time) but also because I love the idea of Foggy and Mike hanging out and Foggy still not twigging. I bet that would be a fun scene to write!

I'd go with eye contact personally, because it's something that's really difficult to miss. Someone looks you in the eye, you know it, even if they look away a second later. That's why it freaks some people out. Checking out a girl is also possible, especially in a bar or something, but if he's wearing sunglasses Foggy wouldn't necessarily know (unless he said something that gave him away, I suppose! But I think that would be too much, even after a few drinks. The unfolded bills probably wouldn't happen because I'm sure he'd have prepped properly before he went out, while not under the influence (or, y'know, just stole Matt's wallet!)

Or, how about this. Some girl comes over to talk to him, and being drunk/having no personal boundaries/being an asshole, she takes off his glasses without warning. Mike's caught by surprise, and Foggy (who is probably about to leap to his defense and make her give them back) can see that he is clearly looking at something, whether it's her or him or whatever else. The girl doesn't notice, and Mike goes off with her in the end, which explains why he doesn't go back to the dorm with Foggy, but Foggy saw it, and Mike knows he did. Or something like that.

I don't really like the timeline from the show. I'm going to ramble on for a bit here, bear with me!

You're right, 2010 is all wrong unless they both went to college late, or did college, then took a few years off before law school, or something like that. Personally, I can't see Matt doing either of those things. I can imagine he might have gone a year late to college, because going blind when he was nine would have meant having to learn a whole bunch of new and difficult things, not to mention re-learning how to read. It's hard to believe he wasn't held back at least a year in school. Of course, I can see him working his ass off to get put back in with his age group later on, and it not being an issue (or in the case of our story, Mike doing badly deliberately so he's held back too). (That's kind of a theory I have. I put it in a fic once, but it was an AU one where Foggy was the one who was blind, so it was about him, but it stuck in my mind for Matt).

I can also see Foggy going a year late to college, because his parents talked him into doing some apprenticeship as a butcher or something, because. He references the butcher thing quite frequently, and in season two he jokes (sort of) about running away and opening a butchers shop, which I know does;t mean he has the skills to actually do it, but he might do!

But that's maybe a year each. We'd need them both to be much later than that for the timeline to fit, so I just assume the show was wrong (which makes no sense, how could it be wrong?!) or that they are meant to be younger than they seem. I also work on the assumption that they met in college, not law school. They just seem more like they've known each other longer than since 2010. But that's just my random stuff, I can't make it work with canon, unfortunately!

But anyway, if they were undergrads, they would probably be under 21. But that doesn't stop most students. Hell, I went out to the pub with friends when I was 16 and nobody even noticed! (drinking age is 18 here, but still...) Anyway, I bet Mike has a contact that could set them up with a couple of fake IDs. Which would be confusing for Foggy, because from his POV his very law abiding roommate just got him a fake ID. Oops.

(Sorry, that was long and might not make a lot of sense. I'm operating on five hours sleep, I then to ramble when I'm tired!

From: (Anonymous)

I think I like the eye contact thing. Maybe it already happened and that's why Foggy just confronted Matt. (It's what I was rolling with when I started writing that part with the evil twin defense last night - but I was careful to try and leave it loose enough it could've been something else that made Foggy do it. Heck, it could've been just Matt's plain old competency at navigating that made him question things... so we've got wiggle room - maybe have them go to the bar soon instead and make him wonder how Matt "fakes" it so well most of the time. lol)

As far as the timeline - for our purposes, I see them as younger. But, yeah, the butcher apprenticeship sounds really plausable. Also, they haven't mentioned Rosalind Sharpe in the show, but I wonder if Foggy worked as a legal assistant there. Just because there are a ton of things atty.s don't come out of law school knowing how to do - like how to file with the court, for instance. I mean, sure, he could've cracked a practice book, read the local rules, etc. like they're supposed to, maybe downloaded the e-filing tutorial online and called the court clerk when he has questions, but... It's more than just that... (Running out of time on my lunch break - I'll have to finish my train of thought later... Yeah, was sick for two days... so much catching up. omg.) Anyway if he were supporting attys as part-time job or something the way they're able to function as a solo practice would make more sense to me. *shrugs*

From: (Anonymous)

typo - they're a partnership, not sure where solo came from. lol But, anyway, in the show, the way they can just open up shop like that... I think they would've realistically needed a minimum of 5 years experience somewhere to do what they were doing. But, who knows. I'm just guessing. (Besides, it's more fun the way they let it unfold.) But, like, it looks like they were doing civil litigation during their internship - probably insurance defense (?), but then they jump into criminal law which I hear is a totally different animal... Anyway... :)

May as well have them be undergrads then and under 21. I like your point about Matt having to re-learn everything - Maybe he would be 19 when he graduates. There's certainly no shame in that. (Actually, I turned 19 fall of my freshman year and I didn't stay back. I just happened to turn six after September 1st and had to wait a year for Kindegarden - later we moved and the cut-off in the new town was turning six before Dec 31, so I was a year older than my class... for the most part... it's weird, too - they put me in math & reading with the grade above because of my skill level, where the kids were my age, but the grade below for the rest?) As far as sneaking in under age 21 - realistically, these days, I don't think they'd be able to do it... But, then again, maybe on a crowded night they just get away with it. LOL. (And, yeah, Mike totally stole Matt's wallet.) Foggy being impressed/confused over the fake IDs could be real fun. The bar scene with Mike and Foggy sounds like a blast - and, really we need more Mike in this fic, too. lol.

(Legal age 18? Must've been fun. LOL. Well, I think we're more uptight about drinking in America, so it ends up causing abuse problems. Well, it's a theory. I hardly ever get out of New England, never mind the country to really know. lol.

Just curious - I'm guessing you're from the UK somewhere - do you find you have to edit much for words & spellings or slang we use differently? I've been exposed to some of the differences, watching Doctor Who and stuff - and when we had BBC America I watched a ton of stuff on there, but it's been a while.)

From: (Anonymous)

That was co-incidental, this came through just as I pressed post comment on the one above.

Yeah, I definitely get your point about them just opening up a law firm kind of out of the blue. I get the impression it was what they wanted to do and they just decided to go for it and hope for the best. But you're right, they probably did change disciplines as well as suddenly become business owners and no longer having a big form to back them up or more experienced people to give advice, secretaries and paralegals around to do other stuff. They're very much thrown in at the deep end, and you're probably right that they shouldn't have had the experience to handle that. I really wish the show had set the scene where they meet much earlier, then it would be possible to account for discrepancies like that by saying they were interning much longer, they took a year out to work with Rosalind Sharpe, or whatever else. Never mind, I guess it's fiction and it;s not perfect!

Yeah, I don't think you'd get away with drinking at a pub at 16 now, times have changes and landlords will lose their licenses if they get caught. It's a good thing, I suppose. (though there is one club that I know for a fact that all the kids still go to, it's cheap, it's kind of scummy and they actually do a drink called a pangalactic gargleblaster. I've not been for years, but I do love it there) One way of Matt/Mike and Foggy to get away with it might be to move further away from the college. Bartenders near the campus would probably be more vigilant for swarms of underage drinkers than if they go further afield. Or maybe they go to Josies, they might have been regulars there for longer than we realize..!

I'm not sure I'd say Americans are more uptight about drinking (though maybe they are, I don't know!) I just get the impression that it happens later there than here for most people. 21 just seems very old to be having your first drink, and I can't imagine why the age limit is so high. I think it's a cultural thing. But here most people are drinking much earlier than the law says then can, and I'd assume it's the same there? Though our laws are much less clear cut than nothing before 18. You can drink in a pub at 16 with an adult, if you are having a meal, and believe it or not it's actually legal to give a child over the age of 4 a drink in their own home! Wow I'm getting off topic though.

I mostly try to write fic in American English as best I can. I have my computer set up that way, so it actually autocorrects me if I accidentally write colour or realise, etc. It's different words that cause the most trouble. I have a good ear for dialects, and I can usually tell when something I've written doesn't feel right in a certain accent, but I can't always come up with a good alternative. Once I spent most of an evening trying to come up with another word for "cupboard"! But for the most part it's not an issue. Or, I don't think it is. My stuff could be peppered with errors that I haven't spotted, for all I know! :)

From: (Anonymous)

Honesty - I wouldn't have known you were overseas except for the timezone differences and when you first mentioned your 'Mum' instead of "Mom', so you're doing really well with the American English thing. :) That's what made me curious if it was something you were putting effort into or maybe there aren't as many dialect differences as I assumed (when things are in print, anyway.) (Though, one look at a chart comparing UK and American clothing terms and already I'm confused. LOL)

The other thing that had me thinking was I'd been checking into NYC slang to see if there was anything different than what I speak here. LOL I live in the Boston-New York Corridor, so the internet seems to tell me there really isn't much that matters. (I was thinking Mike may have a bit more of a NY accent at times, like his Dad - that's what made me go looking. But I'm not sure if I'd know how to communicate that. I guess the pronunciation is just different? I was hoping to find some local words that would make it more obvious. *shrugs*) But, yeah, NYC is not much more than a train ride away from where I am, so we share a lot of dialect words compared to other parts of the US. Like we say soda instead of pop, sneakers instead of tennis shoes... that kind of thing. Anyway... Kinda struck out. lol. *shrugs*

Let's have the bar be Josie's! I like it! (Besides, much better than any college bar... I remember those as too loud and too kiddish, anyway.) (And, yeah, most of us end up drinking under the age of 21 - one of the reasons I think the law is silly and wonder if it encourages binge drinking in the young. Like the thrill of getting away with something... But, if it were normal, that thrill is gone, you know? Maybe there'd be a healthier social norm in it's place? Maybe not, though.)

Pangalactic gargleblaster sounds epic. That's from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy right? I wonder if the fictional drink is made with fictional liquor? lol. :)

From: (Anonymous)

A lot of those charts with different words are exaggerated. I saw one once that claimed we use 'hotel' for restaurant in England. We definitely don't. On the other hand, there are quite a few differences, but we get so much American TV we know all the words and it's pretty easy to switch between the two. On one forum (not fandom) Someone once told me that even before they knew where I was from, all my posts came out in Bridget Jones' accent in their head. I guess I switch things around subconsciously..! (My accent it nothing like Bridget Jones, btw. I'm from the north. (We're a bit Game of Thrones about that north/south divide over here!)

Mike's accent... Accents are really hard to communicate in writing. I;ve read things where people have tried to spell words out phonetically to how certain people pronounce them, and it;s just awful. Nothing wrong with droppin' the occasional letter now 'n'then, but trying to do anything else is pretty much impossible and you're stuck just saying that they have this accent or that. Which to be honest, works fine. The reader just incorporates that info into their overall picture of the character.

Mike might be good at accents in general. Like how Stick wanted Elektra to copy the family he placed her with, learn to act like a different kind of people, he might have wanted Mike to be able to do the same to a certain extent. Or maybe it's just a talent he has. This came to me yesterday. I've been imagining Mike with this voice that is just totally, totally wrong for him, and I knew it had come from somewhere but I didn't know where. It randomly popped into my head yesterday that it was from the audiobook of Brandon Sanderson's Alloy of Law books. I don't know if you're familiar with them, but there's the character called Wayne, and personality-wise he's not that dissimilar from Mike, I don't think. He has this ridiculous gift for accents, that he uses to trick people into thinking he is someone else, he mixes them together, carefully slips from one to another to make someone more comfortable, or to arouse their suspicion if he needs to. It's very cool. (I find accents fascinating generally anyway) So anyway, I kind of merged the two characters in my head and assigned Mike a similar ability. Might not be a good idea though, don't want Mike to be able to do too much, or he becomes a Gary-Stu!

Yes, the bar should definitely be Josies :-) Maybe Mike knows the place, that's why he takes Foggy there. Then it could be Foggy that introduces Matt to it later.

Oh, there is plenty of binge drinking here, going out and getting wasted is the main way students enjoy themselves! Though I did read an article not so long ago saying drinking and drug taking is on the decline in young people. But when I was at uni (there's a word difference!) me and a friend got through a whole bottle of vodka one night just sat watching TV till 6am. And that was a fairly average night in. Nights out... you probably don't want to know! :-). It's a places' culture more than its laws that govern that kind of behavior, and there is a huge drinking culture here, to the extent that if you don't drink, or even if you're in a pub or something and not drinking at that particular moment, people are liable to quiz you about it. Pretty weird, when you think about it! I think it's different in parts of mainland Europe though.

The fictional Panhgalactic gargleblaster has some kind of drug in it that suppresses telekinesis, if I remember right. It's been a while since I read the Hitchhiker's guide. But the real one they serve at Spider's nightclub has a very strange combination of stuff in it. Including a jelly worm, which makes me think of Foggy and Karen drinking the eel!

I'm rambling on again, sorry!! :)

From: (Anonymous)

Good to know the charts are exaggerated. I'd hate to reference one and sound silly. lol. Bridget Jones... OMG... I was part of this community theater group years and years ago... We were doing 'Pride & Prejudice' and I was playing Charlotte. A bunch of the group were putting on British accents (I thought they were pretty terrible, but some of them were so proud.. !!) Anyway, they were pressuring me to do it, too, so it all matches. So, I was watching those Bridget Jones movies to try and do it. No such luck. (You have to get me to knock back a few before I get anywhere close - and I probably only sound that way to me because I'm under the influence. Some friends and I would run our lines at a bar, I wonder what the people around us thought. lol) We had fun.

The North - is that kind of like the 9th Doctor's speech? (Game of Thrones... If only George RR Martin would finish that next book!)

We definitely don't want Mike to be a Gary-Stu, but... I think it might actually keep in line with what we're doing - so long as he's not too, too good. That thing with Wayne reminds me of Mr. Smith in Jeremiah - he does something similar. He thinks he's this messenger from God (he could actually be) and he doesn't remember his life or where he's from, but he can be from wherever anyone around him is from, speak with their accent, remember their local hangouts back home... He uses it got get in with people. It's so cool! He's played by Sean Astin. & I need to read this Brandon Sanderson sometime - I keep hearing how good his books are!

The eel... I should put a pack of gummy worms in the liquor cabinet. (My SO would probably think I'm ridiculous.)

From: (Anonymous)

I meant to ask - what type of voice was it you heard Mike in? Just curious since I haven't those books. (I've heard other authors I like mention him when I was at GenCon last year - made a mental note to check him out and forgot when I came home. LOL.)

From: (Anonymous)

Kind of difficult to describe really. It's not even just the accent, which is totally wrong because it's not even really an American accent, definitely not New York, more like American meets a hint of Australia or cockney London... I dunno. The main thing with is is the words he uses and the way he talks, "that's right unfair, that is," and c'mon mate," and just stuff like that. I mean, the accent itself is just the guy reading it's interpretation of it, but the dialect is all wrong too! But I think personality-wise he's very similar to Mike, and that's what's gotten them mixed up my my head

From: (Anonymous)

Yeah, Christopher Eccleston is from Manchester, that's about two hours drive from here. I'm from Yorkshire though, so it's a little different. Specifically, Hull. Personally, I like the accent here, but it's a minority opinion. EVen most people from here don't like out accent. I don't think there are any I *don't* like though :-)

I've never heard of Jeremiah, is it a TV show? Sounds pretty interesting. I'd definitely reccomend Brandon Sanderson if you're into fantasy stuff, he creates these incredibly complicated worlds with different magical rules and abilities that people have, but writes in this really accessible, non-pretentious way. It's very cool. I kind of stumbled actress his stuff a few years and, and I think I've just about read everything he's written now.

From: (Anonymous)

Cool. I think accents are interesting. I have no gift for mimicry - that's more my SO's territory. He'll mimic characters on TV, people he knows, and does a spot-on impression of his dad, who's from India... Myself, I'm just lucky people understand me. (As a kid I needed speech lessons. I still have a tendency to talk out my nose if I don't actively concentrate on not doing it. But, it's nothing people notice anymore.)

Yeah, Jeremiah is a TV show. It only has two seasons and Mr. Smith is a main character in the 2nd season. (Not sure if he was in season 1 - he might have been towards the end, I forget.) He's my fav and real reason for watching. LOL.

Maybe when school gets out in a couple weeks I'll track down some of his books. I have about a two week break before my summer class starts up. Sounds like something to tide me over while I'm waiting for the next Dresden Files or Patrick Rothfuss's Kingkiller Chronicles.

From:

prepare4trouble

Yeah, I'm no good at doing accents or impressions either. I can do a passable Liverpudlian, probably a result of spending my childhood watching Red Dwarf to the extent I can still pretty much quote entire episodes.

Another Dresden fan? I love those. It's been a really long time since the last one came out though, and I've heard nothing about another one. I've not heard of the Kingkiller Chronicles though. Are they worth checking out?

From:

stardreamed

Awes! I love Dresden files. I even listen to the audio books. James Marsters reads them and it's like listening to a one-man show the way he does the voices. He's definitely Harry now for me. (And Bob, and Butters, for that matter.)

They're really good! And, I went to a bunch of the writer symposiums at Gen Con last year... Patrick Rothfuss was there. After hearing him speak at a few of the sessions, I like him even more. He seems like a good guy. (Jim Butcher was there the year before - he didn't seem to want to be there, though. I wonder if it was the crowds. I know I had to recharge in the designated quiet room a few times when the crowds were at their peak.) "The Name of the Wind," his first book, is worth checking out. I was so hooked I read it in two nights... Couldn't put it down. But, there are only two books out in the series, plus a side story, so they go quick.

From: (Anonymous)

Accidental eye contact is my favorite scenario too. I figured that was where the thing in the evil twin defense bit came from, and I quite like it like that I think. I think personally, I'd have the eye contact scene happen before that, and maybe even have Foggy having dismissed it. He was drinking too, there was low light in the bar (or wherever they were) and why the hell would someone lie about that anyway? So he's been assuming for a few weeks that he must have been mistaken, but at the same time not been quite able to get it out of his head. Then when Matt says this completely unexpected and random thing about having a twin he's never mentioned before, the whole think comes flooding back and he thinks that if Matt could make up something like this, couldn't he, just possibly, have told this other huge lie too?

It could work with the bar scene after too, but once Matt's planted the identical twin think in his head, he's probably going to be thinking about it all the time, looking for differences in the behavior of the 'Matt' he's with and might even be subconsciously looking for proof one way or another. Matt's told him his brother's impersonating him, so Foggy might view 'Matt' apparently being able to see as proof he's with Mike instead, and start asking trying to catch him out. Which could be fun too, actually, but it would negate the Foggy thinking Matt's lying about being blind thing.

All good points about their practice and their knowledge level etc, and having some kind of experience would account for that, but when would Foggy have done that, do you think? The most likely time would be after undergrad, before law school, which would mean Matt and Foggy did meet at law school, unless Matt found himself a job too, or they would have graduated at different times. Of course, could't they have accumulated a good chunk of this knowledge while the were interning at Landman and Zack? I don't have much knowledge of any of this stuff, and it sounds like you do, so I'll defer to your judgement on it.

No, they haven't mentioned Rosalind Sharpe, I'm assuming she isn't the mom that wanted Foggy to be a butcher! I wish they would give us some back story on him so we don't have to guess and extrapolate from the comics and the few hints we are given! I don't think they're going to give us much though...

From: (Anonymous)

Evil twin defense is an actual real legal defense - they use it to cast doubt that the one being accused actually did the crime. Nope, wasn't me, was this guy with the exact same looks and DNA... LOL Of course, it only works if you're a twin, and even then, good luck... (Yeah, I geek out over legal stuff... But, I'm not qualified to give legal advice and the only legal courses I have taken are undergrad ones. I have a paralegal degree. Which really just gives me enough knowledge to know there's a lot I don't know. LOL. I'm not any kind of expert.)

I like where you're going with Foggy assessing the differences, trying to catch him up... Maybe Mike was outside, listening? With the super-senses Matt doesn't know he has? (After all, he'd just left...)

In the real world, I don't think the internship would've given them enough knowlege. I get the impression there's a reason why more experienced partners oversee the junior associates. After law school, there's still a ton more to learn about whatever you specialize in, I think. I never hear of attorneys, fresh out of law school just hanging their own shingle. But, maybe it happens and I just don't know about it. Maybe it shouldn't matter enough since it's a fic for our entertainment? But, maybe Matt and Foggy are different ages and just happen to now be the same year in school? That, and, say, helping out at his mother's firm, that could just be a part-time summer gig or once in a while on the weekends... Maybe even when he was in high school... There's plenty of little things you could give a teen to do, like filing (not with the court, but sorting all the paper that accumulates, etc.)

From: (Anonymous)

That's very cool. Maybe it could even be worked into the story, like once Matt and Foggy find out that ike is Daredevil, Foggy could suggest it as a defense if he ever gets arrested for vigilanteism. Matt would be unimpressed with the idea of offering himself up as a suspect, plus nobody would believe it could be him anyway.

If you have any kind of qualification in it, you know a hell of a lot more than me. I did my degree in European Studies, mostly to try to learn as many languages as I could and have a year overseas. Fun, but not something I use much now, unfortunately.

Mike could totally be outside. He might have left in a hurry because he noticed Matt approaching, and then hung out somewhere to check he hadn't been noticed. I guess there's a chance that Matt could find him now he's aware he's around, but with all the other people in the dorm it's very unlikely.

It probably does happen, but you don't her about it because they quickly go out of business! But I don't know, I don't see why it couldn't happen, if they did their research first and accepted they would be learning as they went (and kept their fee appropriately low as a result!). They started off very small, so it's not like they'd have had a huge workload. Especially if Foggy had this extra experience, and yeah it could have been in high school, I didn't think of that. And it's totally possible that Matt and Foggy aren't the same age, that could explain a lot. I mean, Foggy doesn't seem particularly mature student-like in the flashback scenes, and at that age a few years can make a huge difference, but it's totally possible he's older than he appears. (Elden Henson's older than Charlie Cox anyway, so it fits, sort of..)

(Very quick post before I leave for work, not read your other post yet, I'll look at lunch.)

From: (Anonymous)

LOL I hadn't even thought of that! (Oh, and I know very little about criminal law - my program didn't focus on that. I did have a prof. who was a criminal law atty., but I had him for constitutional law. So, like, the evil twin defense was just something I read somewhere, I think.)

I'm actually back in school again - this time for Business Information Systems... at my new school, I think a lot of my 'legal' classes transfered in as politcal science credits. (They must have, because I have a ton of them.) *shrugs* European Studies sounds like an adventure. :) I originally had started out as an accounting major - your way of going about things with a year abroad sounds a lot more fun...

I got to thinking - maybe Foggy's mother had parial custody, so when it was her turn, he'd spend a lot of time waiting around for her at their firm, so they put him to work, and it just sort of goes from there. ('Hey, kid, can you make some copies?') So, over time, he just picks up some skills. LOL. Poor thing.

From: (Anonymous)

That's a very good idea, he might also have overheard snippets of conversations that sounded interesting, maybe read the stuff he was copying, picked up a bit of what was going on and decided it sounded like it'd be interesting to do more than the photocopying. And if Mom and dad weren't that friendly, it's entirely possible that Dad and stepmom would try to encourage him To try something other than the law to give her less in common with his mom or maybe just so that he has options. Hence thinking beoming a butcher is such a great idea! Though I do kind of think it's more likely someone said it to him once as a career option when he was a kid or something though and it just stuck in his head for whatever reason.

Wow, that sounds like a pretty heavy course. What kind of thing does it involve? Are you enjoying it? European studies was a lot of fun, really interesting too, and I learned a few languages, which are always useful, but apart from that it's not something you can do a lot with. Not that I regret it or anything. If I went back in time, I'd do the exact same thing.

From: (Anonymous)

I was thinking... What if Mike's been sort of having Foggy do his laundry? lol As in, Mike has been wearing some of Matt's clothes - otherwise Matt would have noticed that he one day has a much bigger wardrobe? So Mike's been tossing his dirty laundry in the hamper before laundry day. (And he doesn't care which exact laundry he gets back, because it's all really Matt's anyway, well, save the guady items with the improper labels he's been adding... So, later he just grabs whatever and shoves it in his "school" bag...) So, away, Foggy is is bit miffed that he had to stay longer at the laudramat to do an extra load or two.

I like the courses so far. In my systems analysis and design course this semester, we even get to be creative. My final group project we're designing an ERP system for a pretend business. This summer I'm learning healthcare informatics and in the fall I'll be learning a lot about databases and business intelligence. It's weird - as a paralegal student, there were maybe 3 guys in the whole program. Now, as a BIS major, it's almost flipped. (One of my classes, I think I may be the only female in it. lol.)

Oh, and I like the stuff about the tug-of-war with Mom & Dad. LOL (g2g, lunch goes by so quick. lol)

From: (Anonymous)

Heh, poor Foggy. Why does Matt have him doing his laundry though? Or do they just share a hamper and throw it all in together and take turns? (If that's the case, Foggy would probably have to be then responsible for separating things out afterward) I honestly don't know how that would work, I never had a roommate at uni, it's not really a thing that happens here. But yeah, that could be funny, especially when Foggy finds out about Mike and it turns out the think he's most pissed about isn't being lied to, or the fact that he 'borrowed' a bunch of his text books, but those extra loads of laundry he had to do!

Strange how certain things attract different genders. It's a shame really, you'd think society should be past that by now, but there are definitely some jobs seen as for men and some as for women by large groups of people. I think things will look very different in a few generations..! :-)

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I was thinking that they had separate hampers. They could be the kind that have wheels. (I live in an apartment complex and don't have a personal laundry hook up so my SO goes to his parents to do laundry - probably what inspired it.) Anyway, I was thinking that it's hard to navigate with a cane and the wheels, plus, the college laundromat is always crowded and I bet it'd be really hard to tell which machines are free and which are filled with laundry waiting to go to the next step. (At one of my old apartments, I would do my laundry at the shared coin machines... This girl would leave her stuff unattended in the machines. The load was done, but it was just sitting there... grr...) Oh, and maybe he really had to feel around inside to make sure it was empty? He couldn't just look. (At least, not when Foggy's there.)

I was thinking Foggy, having went with Matt the first time and seeing how difficult it was decided he'd do it to be nice, and Matt only had a little bit. (Didn't he arrive with only one bag?) Matt probably paid him in laundry detergent and coins for both their loads. (& Maybe Matt folded all their clothes sometimes?) It's just when things were getting bogged down with stupid that maybe Foggy cared. LOL. (I'm thinking Mike picked up those awful clothes at Salvation Army real cheap... Maybe one of the collared shirts is this ugly floral number that Mike decides he actually likes. lol.)

Yeah, I don't really get why there aren't a lot of women. Honestly, I was expecting somewhere closer to a 50/50 split and was shocked. There also isn't much of the older returning crowd either - usually they're going back for accounting, it seems. (Why would you want to go for accounting, you poor, poor, soul, I keep thinking. LOL Though, it is useful, and I'm sure they're thinking the same about me.) I think it's the possibility of maybe having to learn some programming languages and/or computer science that scares away the women. (Which neither is actually required, but yeah, it's a good idea to get some background in one or both.) Really, everything is logical in my major and just sounds scarier than it is. :)

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This all makes total sense. It's been a while since I used a laundromat, those occasions I have, I've gone at stupid times to avoid the crowds. But yeah, in a busy one, Matt would definitely have trouble. They could maybe go together sometimes, because I bet Matt wouldn't want to feel like Foggy was having to help him with stuff, but other times Foggy might just do it for him, maybe because Matt's got loads to do or whatever, and since Foggy's going anyway, no harm in just taking the extra load too. But when that extra load gets bigger, it turns into a bit of a pain. Plus, when Mike does revel himself, he can thank Foggy for being such a good maid or something and really piss him off! hehe.

Oh yes on cheap, second hand clothes. I bet Mike gets all his stuff somewhere like that, and he saves the worst ones for Matt. But Mike deciding he likes one of them is ace. And maybe Foggy sees him in it one time after he knows about him, and for a second thinks it's Matt, and that Mike's got him again!

Weirdly, I know a few people who have gone back to school to do accounting. It must be a thing people do..!

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A really sad thing people do! :p (I know, I was one, the first time around for quite a bit...)

I love Foggy upset about a few loads of laundry... I imagine them as reluctant friends, or pretend frenemies eventually.

LOL Yes - even after Matt's out of the awful clothes, Foggy still associating that with him, too... OMG Love it.