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Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil
Date: 2016-04-19 08:42 pm (UTC)For newcomers, here's the link to what has previously transpired... http://daredevilkink.dreamwidth.org/7552.html?thread=15842176#cmt15842176
Basically, we're fleshing out who this Mike Murdock really is and how this changes Matty, I guess. It's fun. And we're flexible.
Thanks!
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Date: 2016-04-19 08:48 pm (UTC)I'm still hoping someone's gonna write a fic though!
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Date: 2016-04-19 10:29 pm (UTC)Okay, so here’s the prompt that started it all:
An AU where Matt is an identical twin. His brother's name is Mike Murdock and they were both trained by Stick. Mike is sighted - it was still Matt who saved that old guy. Stick favored Matt because he's blind and has those senses until Matt gives him the bracelet. So Stick proceeds to cut him off but continues Mike's training. Mike is maybe a bit of a jerk (like the pretend version in the comics, though maybe some of his behavior comes from growing up under Stick's influence) and he gets into the vigilante business while Matt and Foggy are in college. When Foggy finds out what Mike is up to, he doesn't approve, but he's just so glad it's not his blind best friend, Matt. Of course, Mat, being Matt, still gets into trouble sometimes, probably tries to help his brother, but that defining moment, where he beats up that girl's father doesn't happen. Instead Matt complains about it when talking to his brother Mike and Mike does it instead...
(I can just picture the scene where Claire wants to call the man she pulled out of the dumpster "Mike". LOL Whether it's Matt or Mike she saves is up to you.)
Someone added this piece of angst:
Mike has a complex because Stick really wants Matt (and loves Elektra more) and Mike is a consolation prize, terrified that he'll be kicked to the curb like Matt was
It adds a delicious chewy caramel layer to his assholery
Our discussion then started in the present day, when someone said
Wonder if he terrorizes Foggy a bit just because he's Matt's best friend?
which led to
And because Matt's never there when he does, Foggy grows suspicious that Mike is Matt messing about, and no matter how much Matt tries to convince him he's wrong, Mike is more determined to keep him believing it
Maybe Mike will grab one of Matt's spare canes and a pair of shades and impersonate Matt to Foggy. Eventually Matt and Foggy have to come up with a code or something to prove who is who. (Or, maybe, eventually, Foggy can just tell.)
oh, maybe the big reveal is Matt and Mike duking it out in one epic tussle and Foggy looking on with his mouth gaping wide...
Not only are there two of them, but they're nijas. lol
Maybe Mike is jealous that Matt has a Foggy. Not that he'd admit it, Stick wouldn't like that, and he has a proud streak, but he is.
Foggy doesn't know this, but Mike totally saved him from getting mugged one evening.
He talked about it the next day, but only while he was pretending to be Matt, so Foggy still has no idea it wasn't him…
Maybe Mike tends to accumulate more buises, so sometimes it'll give him away... Only Mike's been making sure to get Matt into some fights so they look more alike. LOL
Oh, and he totally messes with Matt's clothing system in hopes Matt goes about in weird color combos…
And it totally works, but Foggy thinks his new style is awesome.
omg.. lol!! Yes. And, of course, when Matt finds out, he's horrified…
He gets so paranoid about what he's wearing he starts texting (out of focus and sometimes pointed the wrong way) selfies to Foggy before he dares leave his apartment.
Yes!! Totally cannot show up to court all mismatched or in an outfit that's been stained. (Where did that neon green dress shirt come from??)
Foggy saves these selfies and posts the best of them to Facebook for Karen to see…
Mike is able to infiltrate Matt's dorm and apartment so easily without Matt knowing because they smell alike and use the same unscented toiletries and laundry soap... (That, and sometimes Matt's worried and just plain old lets his brother crash on the couch, use his shower, etc.)
I bet they do that twin thing, where neither of them have much in the way of real personal boundries with each other.
So to summarize this, Mike is kind of a lovable asshole who turns up and messes with Matt and, by extension, Foggy. He enjoys either breaking into Matt’s apartment, or sometimes it’s when he’s invited, and switching the labels around on his clothes, resulting in hilarious wardrobe choices that Foggy is pretty impressed with. There’s a possibility that he’s also bringing in clothes (neon green shirts, etc!) and adding them to Matt’s collection. When Matt finds out (how? don’t know yet.) he isn’t very happy about it, and responds by texting selfies to Foggy before he leaves his apartment each day. Of course, Matt’s not great with photos, so sometimes he has the phone switched to the wrong camera or the picture is totally out of focus.
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Date: 2016-04-20 03:38 am (UTC)Oh, and the part I said about Foggy finding out (back in the prompt), I was thinking about Foggy finding out that Mike is The Man in the Mask, not that Matt has a twin... Just to clarify. (I re-read it and wasn't sure how clear that was.) I figure that gets it's own separate Foggy freak-out maybe? Because, well, fun. :)
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Date: 2016-04-19 10:50 pm (UTC)I bet Mike outs Elektra before Matt can fall for her. Mike kinda has the hots for her, but he's also weirded out because, in a way, given their relationship with Stick, they're kinda siblings…
Elektra is also a bit pissy with Mike because he got to stay with Stick while she grew up with her adoptive family…
Still, they're both total adrenaline junkies…
Possible pairing y/y?
Would Mike kill Al Marino?
I see them as a possible pairing. It's not always easy, but yeah.
I see Mike being more desensitized to killing. Not that he kills, but Stick, Elektra and all Sticks other allies all kill. It bothers him, but it's not always a deal-breaker. It's one of the few things he's ok with deliberately disappointing Stick over, I think. One of these days, though, maybe Stick will try harder to get him to pop that cherry.
Actually, I think he makes an exception for the Hand if he can't hear their heart-beat - he knows they're already dead, anyway.
Oh, wait, Mike doesn't have senses! LOL Whoops. Maybe there's a visual cue that lets him know they're undead Hand.
So we head to law school. Mike doesn’t go, but it looks like he was around at least for part of it. This hasn’t gone far yet, but Mike either knows Elektra, or guesses who she is, and warns Matt about her.
If the incident with the guy that killed Matt (and Mike’s) father still happens, we are undecided whether Mike would kill him, but we think he’s less likely to have a problem with killing than Matt.
The mistake about mike’s senses led to this chapter though..
Maybe he doesn't have Matt's incredible level of super-senses, but... Knowing that they're identical twins, Stick probably gave Mike extra training trying to coax those traits out - probably made him learn to fight blind folded, maybe spend whole days blindfolded and well, probably some other things that were border-line abuse. Maybe he put him in that sensory-deprivation tank because of reasons…
Stick is pleased when Mikey gets his first 'migraine'….
One time he told him it was time to take his training to the next level. They left the orphanage and Stick knocked him out. He woke up in a completely dark room where Stick convinced him he had blinded him, because Mike would have knows a blindfold can come off and it wouldn't have worked. Kept him there for a week trying to coax the senses out of him. It worked, to a certain extent.
Meanwhile Matt was frantic because they had both disappeared. Mike never told him what had happened. And he was never quite the same after that.
Maybe he used eye-drops that really did temporarily blind him…
Even better. Or a poison of some kind. I bet that's a thing he would totally have access to. Might even be standard training practice in the Chaste. And then not only is Mike definitely going to believe it because he's out in the world and can't see, but there is much more for his senses to focus on out there to bring them out.
If Matt did find out about this, he totally would've gotten Mike the frick out of there... He'd be so mad...
I wonder what a number it did on his head. Did a "World on Fire" light up? After he gets his sight back, is what he sees fire-tinged? Can he navigate like them in the dark? How badly did he freak when he thought it was permanant? And how messed up would it be that he still cared about what Stick thought of him? Maybe he thought Stick used the same chemicals Matt was exposed to in the accident... And maybe things were going so well, just to be sure, Stick gave it an extra week and re-upped the dosage... (like the drops were for show and harmless - what is causing the blindness is actually in some tea he's forced to drink.)
I bet it is one of the standard training methods of the Chaste on sighted people. (Though, somehow, I doubt he used this method on his Ellie.)
Maybe Stick does this right after he ends Matt's training….
Which would mean his brother disappearing at the same time Stick does, then coming back not quite the same. Maybe a little quieter, more withdrawn, and he just refuses to talk about it.
Could be the jokey, laid back personality later on is a direct result of him trying to get back to who he used to be.
Maybe even though it was awful and terrifying, he thinks it was necessary and the right thing to do, because Stick actually messed him up that badly, he trusts everything he does is for the cause. Then he mentions it to Matt years later in passing and all hell breaks loose.
Oh, yeah... Stick did what to his brother??? Made him experience that level of trauma for what? Annoying super-senses?? Risked permanent blindness? Total freak out... And how is Mike ok with it??? omg. lol
Maybe years later Stick makes him drink the tea again willingly for a mission... And Matt encounters a blind Mike in the aftermath…
That's how he finds out about it. Maybe he doesn't notice at first because Mike has some experience at it, but his senses aren't as sharp and he slips up. Then he confesses he had almost forgotten how much it sucks to not be able to see, and maybe he'll lay off the switching the labels in Matt's clothes for a while ("you've been doing what to my clothes?!") so after convincing Matt it's temporary, Mike ends up spilling the whole story. But he still thinks it's okay because Stick says sight is a distraction, and as he's not lucky enough to be free of it permanently, it's okay to take it away when he doesn't need distracting.
Matt's famous temper comes out to play…
"Not lucky enough to be free of it permanently??? Do you have any idea what I'd give to be able to see the sky one more time???!" He sobs... "Mike..."
I bet Mike was also mislabeling the occasional canned food and some of the sodas, too... Of course, Matt doesn't really go for prepackaged food, anyway, it just sits in his cabinets, so the joke is more on Mike this time, while he crashes at Matt's...
Matt is going to totally have it out with Stick, but maybe that was Stick's plan all along.
Foggy stops by the apartment while Matt and Mike are both there and both blind... Foggy is like, dude, that's messed up... But, he's totally NOT leading around Mike the way he does Matt.
"Aw, please don't get like that, Matty, you know that's not me talking. I was just telling you what he said." He runs his fingers through his hair nervously. "I love seeing," he adds. "The sky's not that great though to be honest, dunno why you're so fixated on it."
Which is probably going to make Matt feel better and worse at the same time. And yes, food labels. Do you think Mike reads Braille? I bet he taught himself the basics, enough to fall for his own trick there…
So, bit of Mike back story. Just after Stick abruptly terminates Matt’s training, he asked Mike to take his training to the next level. Not knowing what that meant, Mike agreed. Stick knocked him out, and when he woke up he was blind.
No doubt Mike would freak out about that, especially when Stick told him it was permanent, and possibly that he had used the same chemicals that had blinded Matt. It’s not true, he’s using some kind of tea that causes temporary blindness. We haven’t established how long the effects last, but if Mike doesn’t know it;s in the tea, he’ll just keep drinking it indefinitely. Stick uses Mike’s blindness to try to coax Matt style senses out of him. It works too, to a certain extent. Not sure how well, compared to Matt, but he is definitely more aware of what’s going on around him than the average person.
The whole thing left him a bit freaked out though, and when he returned to the orphanage a week or two later, he was a much more withdrawn kid than he used to be. We think the persona he develops later on is to counteract that to a certain extent.
Also, another reference to the label swapping. It looks like this is how Matt finds out. He’s also been messing with labels on the food. Matt should shop at co-op, some of their own brand stuff is labeled in Braille. Unfortunately, I dunno if they exist in Hell’s Kitchen..
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Date: 2016-04-19 10:59 pm (UTC)Definitely reads braille. I bet he had to set some things up for Stick and it would, of course, use braille labeling... That and I bet he views it as a necessary survival skill. Especially as he never knows when or if Stick might force him to drink that stupid tea.
That, and maybe the reason he had access to the labeler is he helped Matt with the grocery shopping... All part of putting away the groceries… LOL
Matt should probably ban him from that job…
Yeah, probably, but one way or another Mikey will be helping him with the groceries again... Besides, Mike is the one who wanted spagetti-o's and ended up with organic canned peas, anyway.. ;)
(Yuck. Spagetti-o's... as if Matt would ever eat that??? Duh. If the ingredients sound like they came out of a chemistry set or could be made with possible GMO's Matty's really not interested…)
But Mike bought them, and put them there with a nice healthy label stolen from another can. So he put the spagetti-o label on the other can as a clue. I mean, he's not totally heartless! ;-)
oh yeah, and he'd totally want to be able to pass his brother notes, so of course he made the effort to really learn it - those braille contractions and all.
Like in school, because the other kids couldn't pass notes to Matt, but Mike used to poke out Braille with a sharp pencil, backwards into a sheet of paper. And the best part was that the teacher had no idea what it said if they were caught.
Also, Mike became the class translator if one of the other kids needed to get a note to Matt.
Then we get back to now time, where Matt tries to look after his currently blind brother and Mike’s just not into that, and discuss both Murdock boys’ relationship with their two father figures. I’ve left in the stuff about the sky because its interesting even though its not completely relevant to this.
I think the big deal about the sky is to do with his total lack of a circadian rhythm... To exist in a timeless day/night has got to hard. But, Mike should know this, considering... He just doesn't want to go there.
I bet Jack had them both study together, held them to the same rules... wanted them to use their heads, not their fists... and, well, Mike dropped out of school, so... I wonder if he has a chip on his shoulder about learning or if he's hungry for it... Maybe a mix of both.. Afterall, he has the same intelligence as Matt, Mr. Summa Cumme Laude...
I bet while blind, Mike wants to go out as the Man in the Mask/Daredevil... And, Matt's horrified... Daredeviling while blind, are you nuts?? LOL
Ha, absolutely. And Mike would be telling him it'll be fine, Matt should go with him if he doesn't believe him. Matt's even more horrified by that than by the fact that Mike's blind. He demands he stays home and tries to mother hen him.
Mike might have kind of adopted Stick as a father figure in a way that Matt never did. So while Jack was all about the studying and Matt went that route, Stick was about fighting and Mike went with him. They both might kind of half regret their choice in a 'what if' kind of way.
The sky thing might be that, but in my head it was more about it being an intangible concept. Without vision, all the super senses in the world can't let him sense the sky, it's totally lost to him.
Oooh... I like your take on the sky. It's probably better than the circadian rhythm thing because with his 'world on fire', now that I think of it, I bet he knows if it's night or day.
Yeah, I kinda see Matty and Mikey as two possible alternate Matt Murdocks that happened to have shared a womb and a universe. They're two people with all the same potential, a shared childhood, but eventually have some drastically different circumstances. Also, they have a complicated relationship with each other that, well, I'm sure shapes them in different ways. And, they get to see what that road not traveled looks like, not just imagine it.
I see the mother-henning totally happening. I'm also sure Matty still reads Thurgood Marshall and still hears the sirens and people in trouble... Though, Mike's been maybe scratching that itch for him? I bet eventually he does get out there, out of necessity - just not as often. Maybe they share 'The Man in the Mask/Daredevil' identity, eventually? (Though it's really more Mike's thing.) I bet Mike starts keeping a log so Matt can be kept up to date with what DD's been doing...
I bet eventually if one gets injured and the other goes out it confuses other heroes they end up working with - in the begining they wonder if DD has some sort of healing factor... LOL Or sometimes he can read/drive a car, other times no way... LOL
Maybe for consistency, or even just because it's dark out anyway, Mike starts going out blindfolded under the mask/helmet…
Which would piss Matt off even more if he found out…
LOL But, what he doesn't know can't hurt him... Besides, I think he's partially relieved that Mike does most of the Daredeviling... That way he can continue to use his head and not his fists... But, yeah, he's totally afraid for his brother every night he's out there...
Of course, Mike gets annoyed at Matt's worrying... After all, using his fists is all he's good for, right?
Aww, now Matt will feel all guilty and start trying to convince him to go back to school.
Of course, Mike doesn't think he has time at the moment to go back to school, so he deflects... Noting how Matty puts on the blind act in public, he asks if Matt does it so he can be a 'secret warrior' for Sticks war... That's a way to raise his hackles... Matt scowls and Mike laughs.
Mike has adopted more of a NY accent, like his dad, than Matt has, hasn't he? Maybe he hasn't followed his dad's wishes, but of the two of them, he's the most like his dad... :)
It was around this point that we were... politely asked to leave the kinkmeme :-) Though there is more from other threads to come
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Date: 2016-04-19 11:07 pm (UTC)It could also be one sided, with Mike being interested in Matt because Matt is simply a good person who always tries to do the right thing and help people, while everyone at Chaste is pretty numb to violence and killing. Mike always ends up acting like a dick whenever he ends up seeing Matt though, maybe due to nerves or Mike thinks this is how you hit on people, so Matt doesn't like to acknowledge he even knows Mike. (Similar to the comics where Matt pretends the reason he didn't tell Foggy about Mike is that Mike is a dick)
Im having visions of some Bullseye level 'I want to open up your chest and crawl inside' weird jealous obsessive stalker shit. Like does he want what Matt has or does he want Matt? Does he want to be Matt? be better than Matt? Would he try to reach the top by climbing up or by pushing Matt down?
Mike could be that creepy guy that wants to posess and dominate someone who refused him to 'show them who's in charge’
This is not my favorite interpretation of Mike… :)
I was thinking they're brothers. They used to be inseparable. Definitely envious of Matt on more than a few fronts - Stick favors him more, he has the education, a level of respectability, friends, stability... silk sheets... etc. Mike is a bit rough around the edges because he's been living off the grid for a long time. He's also hurting and angry because Matt wants nothing to do with their kind of life. But, that's all Mike knows. And he totally misses him. So there's the rough teasing, the pranks & mischief - but God forbid someone else does it to him. But, um, yeah, it does sound stalker-ish and more than just a bit crazy... lol Maybe he's just making sure Matt's paying him some attention?
That, and Matt's got to be repressing things…
"Notice me, Matt-sempai”
Ha. I much prefer this. Not that it’s up to be, but…
Oh my god but really, if Mike was just acting out to get Matt to notice him. Like hitting on Karen and immediately turning to Matt to see if he was jealous, or Mike making fun of Foggy to make himself look better in comparison. Or wearing all the coolest fashion and using the latest slang because he see that's what people picking up hot girls do at the bar, and well Matt's way better than those girls so maybe it will work on him too? And Mike knows Matt is blind, but Mike still has to look his best for Matt, and Matt will know what he looks like if he could ever get Matt to touch him…
"Chubbo doesn't think you can take care of yourself Matty. How about we go down to the docks and I show you some throws to prove him wrong?"
"I'm not saying he ain't a good guy, just that he has a face only a mother could love, just putting it out there. I gotta look out for you Matty, you deserve the whole package."
"Sweet cheeks let me in, you could bounce a quarter off that you know?" *Mike intensely stares at Matt to see his reaction*
LOL Matt is mildly horrified... But, he hasn't told him off just yet either... Instead it just doesn't compute.
(Well, maybe if he says that bit in earshot of Foggy, then he gets an earful…)
He's thinking to himself - doing it with his twin, is that a form of masturbation?
Lol, not exactly, but kindasorta? I guess Mike can be a weird guy..! Or he was saying it to get a reaction?
The question is, what is the reaction??
Matt blushes and grips his cane.
Then he hears the women crying at the docks... Someone needs to help them…
So Mike may or may not be a creepy stalker. There’s a possibility he’s attracted to Matt, he’s certainly not impressed with Foggy! He’s crying out for attention from his brother, which is why he’s acting like such a jerk most of the time!
And that’s about it. We’ve created a monster. Let’s see what it does if you poke it a bit...
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Date: 2016-04-20 06:00 am (UTC)Im the one that did all the summaries btw, and I've never RP-rd either. I don't think I want to. This is more of a round robin at the moment. But if you want to go that way I guess you're the boss ;)
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Date: 2016-04-21 12:55 am (UTC)I was thinking... Maybe one of reasons Mike stays on with Stick is to protect Matt from having to live that life and put up with his abuse. Maybe he thinks Stick won't go after Matt, who's clearly his preference, if he's got Mike, his good little soldier.
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Date: 2016-04-22 04:40 am (UTC)The wizard throws everyone in a large room. Chaos ensues!