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prepare4trouble

Probably did, and told him it was a small dose that would probably wear off by the next day. Then it doesn't...

I think Matt would definitely have mixed feelings about the whole thing, when he gets over the anger. Maybe with his additional years of fighting training, Mike is actually more capable than he is when it comes to combat without vision. Not at he everyday stuff, just fighting. Maybe he can even show Matt a thing or two...

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stardreamed

LOL I like it. Instead it lasts 6 or 7...

It would make much more sense for Mike to be the much better fighter now, overall. (Though maybe, in the beginning, before he dropped Matt and took Mike to... "the next level", Matt had the advantage?) I also wonder if this Matt would have been as motivated to keep up with the training all those years if he had a brother. (Then again, maybe he's better because he had Mike to spar with and teach him new things.) I wonder how it would change him having more emotional support growing up? Of course, it goes both ways with him & Mike, but I figure Mike has a big negative against his emotional/mental health with all that extra exposure to Stick as he's not a healthy influence.

I wonder if Matt ever switched with Mike? Like, if he ever wanted to do stuff people would assume he needs sight for, like ride a bicycle? Hit the batting cage? lol. (Maybe after Foggy is in the know about Mike but not about their senses, Matt decides to hit a few balls or take Mike's bike for a spin and runs into Foggy? LOL)

From:

stardreamed

I just had this zany thought. (I'm working on homework and my subconscious or whatever starts throwing ideas at me about this instead, I guess. lol) Mike gets accused of being the Man in the Mask... So Matt shows up. (And they'd never believe it's Matt standing in for him because he's blind, right?) It's just the... it's that he actually is the Man in the Mask in the show, but for our story it's a weird element, him being the 'normal' one, I think that's tickling me. Dunno.

I wrote some stuff last night - very nearly posted it. Still on the fence because I think it could us away from some of the crazy antics. (Kind of like what happened with the fluff. lol. I blame Matt and Mike for that...) After I get my hw in shape tonight I'll take another look at it. (Stuff I wrote was more conversation with Matt and Mike and some of Matt's observations as Mike left. Actually, it's probably fine and I was just overtired.) Anyway, I was thinking - maybe Foggy wasn't in the library after all? Instead, maybe Foggy has an hour and a half class somewhere across campus. Mike decides to go talk to him... Almost fesses up, but then doesn't? He wanted to do it for Matty, but then he either chickens out, or thinks to himself that he'll just do it later...

I was thinking maybe Mike is afraid to have a normal life and normal friends... But he wants some normal friends. So, maybe he likes hanging out with Foggy as 'Matt'? One final hurrah out on the town before he thinks Foggy will say good riddance? (And maybe Matt gets pissed? lol Such a temper sometimes... Maybe lead into that epic fight in front of Foggy?)

I also had a thought about our time-line. We've been saying that it's been 6 months since they've seen each other. In the US, the school year for high school students ends the tail end of June. So, that puts them into January? (If he splits with Stick after graduation. Maybe it's later...) The spring semester starts the last week of February, generally. If school has been in session a few weeks, that's March... ? (Originally, I'd been thinking this was the fall semester, but then I realized it wouldn't work - besides if they're in the spring semester, it would have given Matt and Foggy time to become good friends? And Foggy to know what pre-Mike times looked like?) So maybe Mike stuck around until Matt started at Columbia? (I'm also thinking he never really left, Matt just thought he did? Because of the letter?) So, maybe this is March?

From:

stardreamed

Ohhh.. Maybe Matt notices Foggy's absence, goes out looking, suspecting Mike. Maybe that's how it happens? Their epic tussle?

(I was thinking maybe Matt thought it was a Stick related thing at first, and then he thinks it's not? Or doesn't care if it is? So he maybe goes out looking? Maybe does some parkour? Doesn't know about Josie's, so it takes a while? Here he'd been thinking it was serious, but instead they're out for drinks without him? *shrugs*)

From: (Anonymous)

Ohh.. Maybe Matt introduces himself as 'Mike' to Foggy... LOL

From:

prepare4trouble

Haha, I kinda like that.

Only trouble is, it'd just re-inforce the Matt's making stuff up thing that Foggy's got in his head.

Oooh, unless Matt's just doing it to mess with him. Like Mike and Foggy are hanging out, Mike in disguise, and Matt goes over to them and and and introduces himself. Foggy would be so baffled. Especially when it turned out that Mike was Matt and vice versa. Matt explains that Mike was never going to appear as himself, so Matt did it for him. Not like Mike can complain with what he's been up to recently!

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stardreamed

Yes - that was exactly what I was thinking... :) Sorry, it was 2:20 a.m. when I sent that one. In my head, I was thinking they were out at the bar, Mike's had a few.. and Matt walks up, taps Foggy on the shoulder and introduces himself as 'Mike'.

(I've been having issues sleeping - have a 10 minute presentation tomorrow that's making me nervous. If it were something I were into, say a legal concept or something system analysis and design related, I wouldn't be half as nervous, but instead it's about why you should hire me. I'm hoping I'll end up on the second day - I think it would take the edge off to watch other people do it first.)

From:

stardreamed

Doesn't have to be that exact scenario - I was thinking maybe it's part of the lead in to their fight in front of a baffled Foggy. lol

From: (Anonymous)

Yeah Ilike that idea. If Matt's finally gotten sick of Mike always being unavailable or outright refusing to come and meet Foggy properly. I wonder what Foggy's reaction would be though? I bet he's be pretty angry with Mike for misleading him. Y'know, once he's worked out which on Mike is!

That sounds scary, I hope it goes well. I'm terrible with public speaking. Or speaking at all, to be honest! I'll cross my fingers you get to watch a few people first, that will almost definitely help. Good luck!

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

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Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

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prepare4trouble

That sounds cool, but I'm not sure how it would work. Does Matt try to convince people he's the man in the mask? Or does someone snap a photo of Mike taking his mask off and everyone's trying to work out who it is, so Matt has to come forward and claim it was him doing... something vaguely plausible but totally unlikely... and people just kind of believe him because he clearly has the right face, and there's no way he could be Daredevil. If we can come up with a way to make it work it could be pretty awesome.

I read the stuff you posted, I'm glad you decided to. Also, theres nothing wrong with fluff, I think this story probably needs a halted dose of it to get away from the angst overload! :) Yeah, he doesn't have to talk to Foggy now, he can do it whenever, so Matt doesn't know abut it. Maybe the fight should be a few weeks down the line from where we're at now, give Matt chance to be ignored a few more times when he tells Mike to fess up, give Foggy a few more chances to be confused about Matt inventing a brother, so Matt gets good and pissed about it all (he seems reasonably chill right now, just being happy that Mike's back in his life)
Also, you're right, the invited in thing does sound a bit vampire-y. I thought it when I wrote it, but I couldn't think of another way to say it. Might be best to change that!

Where do you think the story should go from here though? I'm thinking cut to Mike talking to Foggy, maybe Foggy's POV and him analyzing everything, trying to work out whether there could actually be two Murdocks, then deciding there is no way this isn't the same Matt he spoke to that morning but in different (way more hideous) clothes. That could be where h invites him out to Josies, maybe with the intention of telling him later, but gets distracted by some girl or decides to leave it a bit longer.

I'm definitely with you on the Mike vs friends thing. Also by this point in his life, he probably wouldn't know how to make a friend. It's not like he goes to school or has a job where he can meet people in a normal way. So even if he did want normal friends, which you're right he probably would be afraid to do, he probably wouldn't be able to, so he might be a bit jealous of Matt for that.

Dates etc, not sure. I guess Mike hasn't been around the whole time Matt's been at Columbia, or he would have mentioned him to Foggy, but when he actually disappeared, could have been after they graduated high school or before Matt moved into the dorm at college. The six month thing isn;t set in stone, but I'd say setting it around March time might be best, if we actually have to name a time of year, for the reasons you said. And yeah, he might not have been away really. He might have been keeping an eye on his brother. He might even have been impersonating Matt for longer than he realizes!

From:

stardreamed

Oh, I meant that Mike gets accused of being The Man in the Mask by someone, so Matt shows up in costume while Mike is there out there in plain clothes. And, yeah, they know he has an identical twin, but there's no way it could be Matt, he's blind... Though, come to think of it, this scenario would carry more weight if Mike actually had the beginning of some sort of regular life. Though, that other thing could work really well, too - Matt could say it was a Halloween costume. LOL Or, maybe he was going to Comic Con? That's in NYC and people cosplay... :)

Yeah - I think the fluff and fun should help balance out all the lovely angst. And yeah, I like the fight being a few weeks out.

Actually, I thought the vampirey statement was kinda cute for Mike - he does kind of show up almost like this otherworldly creature - the only one who knows he's there is Matt.

That works for me - if I had continued, I would've sent him after Foggy. Maybe Mike pretends to be distracted by a girl or whatever - he can't go back to the dorm where Matt is... Then Foggy is confused that when he arrives home Matt is already in bed asleep... LOL

Yeah, probably more than a little envious. Poor Mike.

Do you think Mike believes in Stick's war? Or is he with him because it's the only thing he can see himself doing? (Well, until maybe he has the Man in the Mask/Daredevil identity going for him for a while.)

LOL Yeah, maybe even on the first day... Had to make sure his brother was going to be ok. (Part of the reason I wanted to reason it out was to figure out the weather. Well, that and help me figure out what Mike is thinking.)

From:

prepare4trouble

Omg, the thought of Matt Murdock doing cosplay is just hilarious! There's no way anyone who knew him would believe it, but if it's someone else, yeah, that could work.

Right, I'm going to try to write some Mike votes to See Foggy stuff tonight, see if I can come up with anything good!

Good question on whether Mike believes in the war or not. I'd say he probably does, actually. If his whole life he's had this stuff drilled into him, and he's seen the Hand in action, he knows about Black Sky, yeah I'd say he's probably been pretty much indoctrinated into it. But just becuase he believes in it and that it's the right thing to do doesn't mean that he wants to do it. Might be he'd much rather disappear and have a more normal life, but if he does that, Stick's definitely going to try to recruit Matt. Also, yeah, after however many year of just fighting and being Daredevil, he's probably not going to be able to realistically see himself doing anything else anyway. So he leaves that to Matt and lives a normal life vicariously through him.

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stardreamed

Awes. It's probably what I'll be thinking about on my way home from this thing.

Yeah, I like the angle where he's really mostly in it to protect Matt. (Heck, Matt of season 2 didn't even need that much - they just had to be in his territory.) Well, that, and he probably wants to keep people safe.

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prepare4trouble

I love the idea of Matt pretending to be Mike. Maybe that's even where Mike's think with pretending to be him started. Like, Matt really wanted to do something that he shouldn't really be able to do, and Mike says he can't becuase it'd look weird if the blind kid can suddenly hit the ball accurately every time, or whatever. But Matt says it won;t becuase the blind kid will be sitting over there, and hands him his cane and sends him to sit on a bench and pretend to read a book or something. So really, the switching thing is like Matt's fault becuase he started it!

Maybe Mike's even weirded out by the whole thing at first and convinced someone's going to notice, but they don't, and some people even come over and talk to him and he replies as Matt and they are fooled. Then he' shocked. Maybe they even seem to want to hang out with him more when he's Matt, so he does it more and more. Matt gets annoyed with it, but Mike says they're nicer to him as Matt. Matt's all "They're not being nice, they feel sorry for me." But Mike doesn't think he's right, (and he's actually not, they really do want to be his friend but Matt's stand-of fish becuase he's paranoid about why people want to be around him) and he's enjoying having friends end if he does have to be Matt to do it. Yeah, I might just have written a whole chapter in my head, actually..! But the point of all that was that when Matt is complaining bout Mike impersonating him, he tells him it was Matt's idea in the first place.

Dunno, would Mike teach Matt things when they were kids?. If Stick has dropped him as a student and now he knows what an asshole Stick is, MIke wants to keep him away from Matt, maybe he wouldn't becuase he wants to keep him safe. Or becuase he wants to have something that he's better at. But then later on when Matt finds out about the super senses and Stick's super evil training methods, Matt realizes Mike's actually better at some things while blind than he is, and he asks Mike for pointers.

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stardreamed

Yes! I like that. Matt must get tired of having to play real-world blind all the time and finds a way out and loves it... And it could also be the beginnings of Mike thinking he can't have his own friends because of who he is, but likes that he can have them as 'Matt'. This all being Matt's fault is kind of hilarious, too. :)

That could be. That makes sense. If Matt keeps up his fighting skills, there's the danger that Stick might take him back and Mike doesn't want that. (And maybe to have something he's better at. LOL.) And so, maybe Matt keeps up on his own somewhat because his brother is off training with Stick. I like the idea of Mike being better at some things while blind... I'm guessing Stick may have wanted him to spend a good part of his training blindfolded to make him make use of his other senses.

(I read your comments on my cell while I was on lunch - today we had a luncheon... couldn't really whip out my tablet and keyboard... Then I had school after work. That's why I'm later than usual. Can't wait for Thursday...)

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prepare4trouble

Yeah, Matt might well have continued on his own, maybe pushing himself to do things and trying to heighten his awareness and hone his senses, but without guidance from Stick. Which he didn't have in the real timeline, and he did just fine. But Mike continued training for years with Stick after he dropped Matt, and even assuming Matt started out as better than him, the extra years of tuition must have made him better. If not, I'm sure Stick would have dropped him too, for not being good enough.

Talking of Stick dropping Matt from training, do you think it was for the same reasons in this world? And how do you think Matt will have reacted to the guy who was originally brought in to help him not wanting anything else to do with him, but continuing to train his brother (who he probably only started training in the first place because he was hanging around getting in the way!) Do you think Matt knew Stick was still training Mike? Because I can see that creating some major conflict between the brothers!

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stardreamed

I think Matt had to know - Mike disappears for a few weeks right after Stick drops Matt. I think Matt would've been able to guess? Yeah, I could see it being a major area of contention. :) So Mike stays on originally because he was envious of Matt, then after "the next level" stays on to protect Matt?

From:

prepare4trouble

Yeah, you're right, he would have to know. But maybe it's just becuase it's obvious. Maybe Mike never explicitly tells him about it and Matt just doesn't mention it. That could be how they end up not fighting over it?

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prepare4trouble

Talking of the later scene when Mike's blinded again, I wrote a thing. Kinda like an intro to that scene. Not sure that exactly you were thinking for how Matt realizes what's going on, but I had this little idea and it wouldn't go away. You want me to post it? Obviously we wouldn't have to use it.

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stardreamed

Sure!! I'd love to see it. I'm really curious.

From:

prepare4trouble

I was trying to come up with a way for Matt to notice something is wrong without Mike outright telling him, but without making it too obvious (like him bumping into something, because I don't think he would. I came up with this, but I dunno...

There is someone in his apartment.

Matt’s hand freezes on the door handle, key half way into the lock. He listens to the sound from within, the one that had given the intruder away. His heart rate is steady, unconcerned with the possibility if being caught. His presence is familiar. Matt relaxes as he recognizes it. Mike.

He opens the door and allows it to swing wide. “What are you doing here?” he asks, before Mike can say a word.

He can hear the grin in his brothers voice as he answers. “Lovely to see you too, Matt, and how are you this evening?”

Matt sighs and closes the door behind him. “Breaking into my apartment isn’t okay, Mike.”

“Who says I broke in?” Mike asks him. He rummages in his pocket and pulls something out, holds it aloft as though for Matt to inspect. “I have a key,” he says. “I didn’t think I’d need to use it though. Why are you so late back?”

Matt hangs up his cane and his jacket before sinking into the sofa. “Busy day,” he says. He decides to let the key thing slide for now, but sooner or later he is going to have to deal with it. Or get comfortable with Mike having easy access to his apartment. Which now he thinks about it, he probably does anyway. Not having a key had never seemed to be much of an obstacle for his brother.

Mike opens the refrigerator door and begins to rummage around inside. It isn’t well stocked, but Matt listens to him moving things around for a minute or two, then to the sound of two bottles of beer being placed on the counter top, and then more searching.

Mike's heart rate increases a little and he blows out a frustrated gust of air from between pursed lips. “Don’t you have milk?” he complains. “Literally the only thing in your kitchen that resembles snack food is this cardboard cereal, and you don’t have milk.”

“Third shelf, left side, behind the tomatoes,” Matt says automatically. It isn’t until his brain, still addled from the long day, catches up with his mouth that he realizes what had seemed so strange about Mike’s question.

He hears Mike pull the packet of tomatoes out and leave them on the counter, then the milk after it. “I’m leaving these out,” he says. “You don’t keep tomatoes cold, Matt. They have no flavor that way.”

“Why couldn’t you find it?” Matt asks softly as he listens to Mike pouring the milk over his stolen cereal that he must have helped himself to before Matt arrived, and grabbing a spoon from the drawer.

Mike scoffs quietly at the question and puts the carton of milk back where he got it. “Because you keep it in a stupid place. Why not leave it in the shelf on the door like a normal person?” He picks up his bowl in one hand and the two beers in the other. Matt hears then clinking together as he walks over to the sofa. Matt listens carefully to his footsteps as he does. Nothing sounds out of place. Or maybe it does. Is he walking a little slower than normal? A little more hesitantly?

The cold of the chilled bottle on the back of his hand is Matt’s signal to take it, which he does without thinking. Mike sits opposite him in a chair, puts his beer on the floor by his feet and begins to crunch his cereal.

“Mike?” he says.

Mike fills his mouth with a spoonful and talks around it. “Hmm?”

“Are you okay?”

Mike laughs. “I’m a bit beat up, but no worse than usual. He took me on a mission, some warehouse the enemy were using as a base of operations. Decided to make it a training exercise too, so…” he tailed off and shoved another spoonful of cereal into his mouth. “Hungry, though,” he added around the food.

“He… Stick?”

He is answered with silence for a moment. “Shit. I wasn’t going to mention it. Yeah, he’s back in town.”

Matt feels a slight chill at those words. He inhales deeply through his nose, searching the accumulated scents in the apartment for any hint that his former teacher had been there. He finds nothing. He relaxes just slightly, enough to realize that Mike’s accidental slip had been no accident, he was deflecting from Matt’s original line of questioning.

Somewhere deep inside Matt’s stomach, a creeping uncertainty began to spread. “What color is my t-shirt?” he asked.

“I haven’t been here for weeks,” Mike tells him. “I haven't switched anything around, honest.”

“Humor me,” Matt says. “Prove it.”

Mike sighs. “What does it matter what color it is, Matt? It’s just a t-shirt.”

Except it isn’t. He is wearing a suit.

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stardreamed

I like it. :) The bit with the milk was pretty good. And the fact that Matt is suspicious enough to notice... Think he could tell it was a suit, though? Well, as long as the jacket is off, maybe? But, I like the effect that it's the totally wrong garment. (That, and one's casual, the other formal and both impossible to mistake for each other visually...) And if he's tired or preoccupied worrying about what Matt will think... Yeah, it works.

Think Mike is finicky about prepackaged food at all? I mean, he's essentially a soldier and would probably eat anything... But does he like it? (With all the chemicals, gmo's, etc.?)

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prepare4trouble

I think Matt is always suspicious of everything when it comes to Mike. But thinking about it, maybe he reached the right conclusion about what was going on with him too easily. Maybe there should have been another clue...

I can't see how he would be able to tell what kind of clothes Matt's wearing, unless it's by the scent of the fabric or something? But I'd figure Stick's trained Mike to be an expert fighter and to use his abilities to better himself at that, rather than more everyday things that Matt might be more interested in working out. So maybe while Matt would be able to tell something like that, Mike's skill set is limited more to avoiding getting hit, finding a target, maybe noticing and analyzing tiny movements in order to anticipate an opponent's next move. Maybe he's super sensitive to smells of various poisons, or, I dunno, telling what kind of a weapon someone has based on the way the air moves around it... Or something. These might be things that Matt's not so good at, since he hasn't really had cause to use them as much.

I'm just making all this up on the spot, if you can't guess. No deep thought has gone into it! :-)

Food... I'm honestly not sure. He might be funny about it, but judging by Stick's reaction to Matt's 'soft' lifestyle, I doubt he'd stand for that kind of behavior, so Maybe Mike would have just had to get used to stuff like that. Or maybe he's either not as sensitive to things like that as Matt, or can tune out the taste of the chemicals? Or maybe he hates it, but he just eats it anyway because it's easy and it's food. I don't imagine he's much of a chef!

Maybe sometimes he invites himself round to Matt's for dinner because Matt can cook food he can actually enjoy instead of tolerate...

From:

prepare4trouble

I was thinking, maybe we should try to tie this timeline we're creating to the one from the show, like have things happening throughout Matt and Mike's childhoods that happened in the show. Maybe some stuff when they're with their dad, maybe something like the reaction to Matt's accident, so set around that time, Mike and Matt talking in the hospital or something? The night their dad died, did that play out any differently? Was Mike there with Matt when he found him? Just stuff like that. Might be cool, and might be useful to show these familiar things happening in this version of history, cement the character of Mike into Matt's life so he's easier for the reader to accept there later on. What do you think?

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

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stardreamed

Maybe Mike opens something that's wrongly labeled that wouldn't make sense for him to want to eat just then? (Something he could've known if he could see?) So then he goes for the cereal and the milk? So, Matt's wondering why he opened, say,a can of peas and then decided not to eat them?

Oh, you know, that's true. Matt would be better with the day-to-day.

I don't think he would, either. But, Stick did complain about the quality of the beer. (I think it was Heineken that Matt had in his fridge, one of the few mass produced beers that's sold here in the US that isn't made out of fermented gmo corn syrup...)

LOL yeah. I like that.