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From: (Anonymous)
Maybe Mike still had to mimic Matt after Stick ended Matt's training... And, of course, he became resentful of it, especially after Stick had made him think he was blind.

So, the stuff with Mike impersonating Matt, maybe that was an occasional training exercise Stick asked him to do... (But the dickery with Foggy in the dorm to get at Matt, that's all Mike. LOL)

It probably also means Mike had to keep up a certain level of education - enough that he could pass if you didn't get too deep into it.
From: (Anonymous)
Yeah I'm sure that was all Mike, just using the skills he's got, because why let them go to waste?

Re education I imagine he finished high school , but didn't go to college. But knowing he might need to smart talk his way into people believing he was Matt in the future, he got all the info he needed from Matt and Foggy's books. Matt's when he was in the room being Matt, and Foggy's when he stole them. Foggy noticed quite a few books going missing over the course of his college years. Mike never stole from Matt because reading by sight is easier for him, and he knows what a pain in the ass it is for Matt to get the books in Braille in the first place.
From: (Anonymous)
I bet that means Mike has read Thurgood Marshall a ton... :) Maybe he finds it inspiring, too.

I also bet he gets copies of all their syllabi so he knows what they're up to. (Think they use Courseworks at Columbia... He could login as them and print it at the library or save it to a flash drive. Either that or he could just take pictures of the originals from their notebooks with his phone...) Maybe Foggy keeps a calendar on google with all his assignments and plans - Mike totally gets that password, too.

I could totally see Mike holed up in some cramped and dingy room somewhere (or maybe on some random rooftop) in between missions cramming from one of Foggy's textbooks. LOL I wonder where he lives? I originally thought of him as homeless or a bit of a couch surfer. Maybe he lives in that abandoned building Stick was hanging out in during season 2?
From: (Anonymous)
Or, maybe he just has a roll and a bag that he stashes somewhere... hmmm... It might be nice to have somewhere he accumulates weird odds and ends, a stack of textbooks, a couple paperbacks, a family photo album, maybe all hidden from Stick. (As much as that can happen.) When Matt has the apartment, maybe that's where his stuff lands. But, while he's in the dorm... It's not like he's still with the nuns, right?
From: (Anonymous)
I can't see him couch surfing, because how many couches does he know? I don't imagine he has a huge network of friends. Homeless though... I don't think Matt would stand for that, he'd have him living with him, even though neither of them would be that happy with the arrangement!

Maybe he squats somewhere? Found an abandoned property, made it his own. You can actually get quite nice places that way if you're lucky. I know because my brother and some friends did it once.
From: (Anonymous)
That's true about the couch surfing - I doubt he had much in the way of a network of friends. Especially since Stick wouldn't put up with that. But, to land on someone's couch, you don't always have to know them well, they just have to let you stay there. lol. Not the best thing, really. But I'm sure he's helped random strangers pre-mask or there's some sweet old lady from church who remembers his dad and feels bad for him or something... Maybe Fogwell caught him sleeping in the gym, during a nor'easter, recognized him, and offered the couch for the night. Who knows...

Abandoned property - that could work easy for a time. Of course, there wouldn't be much security. Maybe anything really important he already gave to Matt for safekeeping... Or will give to Matt for safekeeping... Like the childhood photo album. (I wonder if that would really sting since Matt can't look at it himself. Ouch.)

Mike and Matt as roomies... That could be fun... LOL
From: (Anonymous)
Ooh, nic epic of angst there. I was actually writing something once about Matt having a photo album. I might have to revisit it.. But yeah, I can imagine Matt looking after his more important things, whatever they may be. I doubt he has many, mostly just childhood mementos. And maybe f one of them is a photo album or maybe just a stack of old polaroids, they could go through them together one night when they're not arguing, and Mike could tell him what each one is while they reminisce about old times...

But security could be fine in an abandoned place. Once you move in, you just get the locks changes, call the electricity company and tell them to reconnect you and just start living there. A squat doesn't have to be dirty and insecure.

Also you're right about a couch for the night from the people he saved, but you can't rely on that forever, a more permanent solution would need to be found eventually. Unless that's why he keeps bouncing in and out of Hell's kitchen, he moves around so he won't use up people's good will too quickly..
From: (Anonymous)
Typo alert. Nice piece of angst, is what I was trying to say at the start there. Though epic fits too! :)
From: (Anonymous)
That's true... Like those people who move into empty foreclosed McMansions.... :) I'm trying to think what the NYC equivalent would be to that. But, I bet there's stuff all over the city if one knows where to look. And, Mike would.

I think my mind went to abandoned warehouses - probably because I live in a loft not too unlike Matt's. lol. (though, it's certainly not a corner apt, and uh, no obnoxious lighted sign or rooftop access...) I've got all this brick and pipe and weird industrial architecture inspiring me. (That and this place swallows up light like you wouldn't believe... I had to buy so many lamps... lol) I bet squatting would be a fun adventure, while it lasts. :)

Hey, I was thinking - one of the possible things Mike could do to get at Foggy - maybe make him think Matt is faking his blindness? Of course, that would have to happen right before the reveal that, yes, Matt isn't lying about the identical twin... Still kinda chewing on this.

I was also thinking, one of the big reasons Foggy thinks Matt's just messing with him about the twin is that Mike is way to knowledgeable... Even knows when stuff is due and what happened in lecture... In jokes, details about his family... LOL And, when Mike shows up, he's contrite and owns up to just messing with him. Again.

Oh, yeah, the other thing... Matt finds the photo album in the trunk. He has no idea what it is and Foggy to takes a peak over his shoulder. Mike has removed all pictures where the two of them are together - it looks like he's a single child... LOL (That and if we're playing with maybe Foggy thinking he's a talented faker - maybe the pictures are of Mike - no canes or shades in sight.)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm also a fan of abandoned warehouses for Mike, as long as it appears to be locked up and inaccessible so other people won't try to crash there too. Or maybe they can, but that would make it less secure and more like sleeping rough again. Which I bet he has done on occasion, but probably not as a long-term thing.

Maybe he could break into people's homes while they are away and live there until they get back. I read an article about a couple who got back from vacation to find a guy living there, doing his washing. He got arrested, not surprisingly! But I bet Mike'd be so good at that that when they came home they didn't even realize someone had been there. He's know the day they were due back and he'd be gone, leaving everything exactly as he found it. Or maybe even tidies the place up a bit, leaves a gift for them as a thank you, something they won't notice at first so they won;t think someone;s been there. I dunno, just an idea.

Making Foggy think that about Matt would be a cruel trick! Let's see how it could work...
I can't imagine that being a plan Mike comes up with just for fun, purely because it just seems mean and I don't think that's him, so how about this? Maybe before Matt ever mentions Mike to him, Mike gives away the fact that he can see accidentally, and knows Foggy noticed. Dunno how, maybe he took the shades off thinking he could pull it off, and accidentally looked him in the eye or something. When he's done kicking himself, he decides to have a bit of fun since he knows the pretending to be Matt thing is over anyway. So that, plus other stuff leads Foggy to confront Matt, who then tells him he has a twin. Foggy doesn't want to believe that Matt's lying, because then he's just making up some ridiculous story to cover up the insane lie he's been living, but it still seems impossible that there are two of them, and until he sees proof, he just can't believe it. Unfortunately, Mike is never around when Matt is, so proof is not forthcoming...
From: (Anonymous)
Thinking about Mike staying in people's homes who have gone on vacation... Basically, they go on vacation, a time when they're most vulnerable to robbery and... Daredevil is essentially guarding their home. LOL. Sounds like a nice deal to me.
From: (Anonymous)
Oh, forgot to add. A lot of the photos in the album would be pre-accident, so nether brother would be blind, any photo with just one of them in would do just fine in that era.

I'm honestly unsure about Mike going that far though. My mum and my sister both keep photo albums, and they are fussy about the order. I don't think taking pictures out would be okay, because they'd get all out of order. They have the in time order mostly, I think. Considering everything that's happened, I can imagine Mike, for all his carefree assholeness, being a bit funny about messing with mementoes from his past. Or if he isn't, I don't think he'd allow it for Matt's sake. Even though he can't see them, he'd know what Mike had done because Foggy would tell him what he was seeing.
From: (Anonymous)
Yeah.. Now that I'm thinking more about it from Mike's side - it's too far. I think my brain went to what's something dramatic and over the top - but then I didn't get around to thinking why Mike would be motivated yet. The only reason I could come up with is if he were really, really, spectacularly mad. That isn't this...

I like Foggy thinking he can see being a game stopper. That, and maybe Mike just wants to finally have a conversation with his brother?? I mean, how long is Stick going to be gone? He doesn't know. Maybe he stayed at a distance because it would've been too painful to leave again when Stick returns.

Yeah, I bet the photo album even has braille labels carefully describing the pictures. And, maybe some drawings etched deep enough by Mike that Matt can make out the details. That'd be a pain to mess with. (That, and maybe some of the very early baby photos had their mother's handwriting in the margins... hmmm... Suspiciously, their mother isn't in album... Maybe Jack took the few that had been out.)
From: (Anonymous)
Aw, that's a lovely idea for the album.
But maybe there's this one photo that shows a woman in the background. Out of focus, turned away from the camera, but definitely in the same room as the kids. Mike sees it every time he looks through, it's the only thing he can see when he looks at the photo, but he doesn't mention it to Matt. He's not sure what to say. It's labelled as Mike and Matt as babies in the crib. Mike stares at the other person that he can barely see and wonders, what if?
(Or maybe I'm getting maudlin. It's going on for 2am here. I should sleep!)

Yes I bet by this point Mike does want to talk with Matt. Pretending to be him just isn't the same! Too bad Foggy doesn't believe in him, it makes resisting the urge to mess with him and Matt a little too difficult! But when he eventually does show himself, after he and Matt have an epic argument and maybe a literal fight as Foggy watches, they talk things through and Mike is happy. Matt is less unhappy than he was, and Foggy is just plain weirded out by this new development.

(Okay, sleep time!)
From: (Anonymous)
Aww... I like that. He would just keep it to himself, wouldn't he? It's funny how we do that. :)

I've got this idea that maybe Mike and Foggy went out for drinks, had a good time, and Foggy had no idea... (or to a party - not sure if they're over 21? I heard somewhere that they're supposed to be about 30 in the series, so that would, by my reasoning make them well over 21 - law school is only 3 years... even if you add the undergraduate degree, they're still 22-23 years old. That in itself makes me wonder what they did career-wise in between...) Anyway, maybe it was after he'd had a few that Mike slipped up... Either he looked Foggy in the eye or checked out some girl... Maybe he opened his wallet and his bills weren't folded, but he paid anyway, whatever works... Oh, and of course 'Matt' didn't go straight back to the dorms with Foggy (because Matt would be there asleep), which rubbed him as odd. *shrugs*

'nite!
From: (Anonymous)
I like that idea. Not only because it would be a valid reason for Mike to slip up (I figure he;s probably pretty careful about not doing that most of the time) but also because I love the idea of Foggy and Mike hanging out and Foggy still not twigging. I bet that would be a fun scene to write!

I'd go with eye contact personally, because it's something that's really difficult to miss. Someone looks you in the eye, you know it, even if they look away a second later. That's why it freaks some people out. Checking out a girl is also possible, especially in a bar or something, but if he's wearing sunglasses Foggy wouldn't necessarily know (unless he said something that gave him away, I suppose! But I think that would be too much, even after a few drinks. The unfolded bills probably wouldn't happen because I'm sure he'd have prepped properly before he went out, while not under the influence (or, y'know, just stole Matt's wallet!)

Or, how about this. Some girl comes over to talk to him, and being drunk/having no personal boundaries/being an asshole, she takes off his glasses without warning. Mike's caught by surprise, and Foggy (who is probably about to leap to his defense and make her give them back) can see that he is clearly looking at something, whether it's her or him or whatever else. The girl doesn't notice, and Mike goes off with her in the end, which explains why he doesn't go back to the dorm with Foggy, but Foggy saw it, and Mike knows he did. Or something like that.


I don't really like the timeline from the show. I'm going to ramble on for a bit here, bear with me!

You're right, 2010 is all wrong unless they both went to college late, or did college, then took a few years off before law school, or something like that. Personally, I can't see Matt doing either of those things. I can imagine he might have gone a year late to college, because going blind when he was nine would have meant having to learn a whole bunch of new and difficult things, not to mention re-learning how to read. It's hard to believe he wasn't held back at least a year in school. Of course, I can see him working his ass off to get put back in with his age group later on, and it not being an issue (or in the case of our story, Mike doing badly deliberately so he's held back too). (That's kind of a theory I have. I put it in a fic once, but it was an AU one where Foggy was the one who was blind, so it was about him, but it stuck in my mind for Matt).

I can also see Foggy going a year late to college, because his parents talked him into doing some apprenticeship as a butcher or something, because. He references the butcher thing quite frequently, and in season two he jokes (sort of) about running away and opening a butchers shop, which I know does;t mean he has the skills to actually do it, but he might do!

But that's maybe a year each. We'd need them both to be much later than that for the timeline to fit, so I just assume the show was wrong (which makes no sense, how could it be wrong?!) or that they are meant to be younger than they seem. I also work on the assumption that they met in college, not law school. They just seem more like they've known each other longer than since 2010. But that's just my random stuff, I can't make it work with canon, unfortunately!

But anyway, if they were undergrads, they would probably be under 21. But that doesn't stop most students. Hell, I went out to the pub with friends when I was 16 and nobody even noticed! (drinking age is 18 here, but still...) Anyway, I bet Mike has a contact that could set them up with a couple of fake IDs. Which would be confusing for Foggy, because from his POV his very law abiding roommate just got him a fake ID. Oops.

(Sorry, that was long and might not make a lot of sense. I'm operating on five hours sleep, I then to ramble when I'm tired!
From: (Anonymous)
I think I like the eye contact thing. Maybe it already happened and that's why Foggy just confronted Matt. (It's what I was rolling with when I started writing that part with the evil twin defense last night - but I was careful to try and leave it loose enough it could've been something else that made Foggy do it. Heck, it could've been just Matt's plain old competency at navigating that made him question things... so we've got wiggle room - maybe have them go to the bar soon instead and make him wonder how Matt "fakes" it so well most of the time. lol)

As far as the timeline - for our purposes, I see them as younger. But, yeah, the butcher apprenticeship sounds really plausable. Also, they haven't mentioned Rosalind Sharpe in the show, but I wonder if Foggy worked as a legal assistant there. Just because there are a ton of things atty.s don't come out of law school knowing how to do - like how to file with the court, for instance. I mean, sure, he could've cracked a practice book, read the local rules, etc. like they're supposed to, maybe downloaded the e-filing tutorial online and called the court clerk when he has questions, but... It's more than just that... (Running out of time on my lunch break - I'll have to finish my train of thought later... Yeah, was sick for two days... so much catching up. omg.) Anyway if he were supporting attys as part-time job or something the way they're able to function as a solo practice would make more sense to me. *shrugs*

From: (Anonymous)
typo - they're a partnership, not sure where solo came from. lol But, anyway, in the show, the way they can just open up shop like that... I think they would've realistically needed a minimum of 5 years experience somewhere to do what they were doing. But, who knows. I'm just guessing. (Besides, it's more fun the way they let it unfold.) But, like, it looks like they were doing civil litigation during their internship - probably insurance defense (?), but then they jump into criminal law which I hear is a totally different animal... Anyway... :)

May as well have them be undergrads then and under 21. I like your point about Matt having to re-learn everything - Maybe he would be 19 when he graduates. There's certainly no shame in that. (Actually, I turned 19 fall of my freshman year and I didn't stay back. I just happened to turn six after September 1st and had to wait a year for Kindegarden - later we moved and the cut-off in the new town was turning six before Dec 31, so I was a year older than my class... for the most part... it's weird, too - they put me in math & reading with the grade above because of my skill level, where the kids were my age, but the grade below for the rest?) As far as sneaking in under age 21 - realistically, these days, I don't think they'd be able to do it... But, then again, maybe on a crowded night they just get away with it. LOL. (And, yeah, Mike totally stole Matt's wallet.) Foggy being impressed/confused over the fake IDs could be real fun. The bar scene with Mike and Foggy sounds like a blast - and, really we need more Mike in this fic, too. lol.

(Legal age 18? Must've been fun. LOL. Well, I think we're more uptight about drinking in America, so it ends up causing abuse problems. Well, it's a theory. I hardly ever get out of New England, never mind the country to really know. lol.

Just curious - I'm guessing you're from the UK somewhere - do you find you have to edit much for words & spellings or slang we use differently? I've been exposed to some of the differences, watching Doctor Who and stuff - and when we had BBC America I watched a ton of stuff on there, but it's been a while.)
From: (Anonymous)
That was co-incidental, this came through just as I pressed post comment on the one above.

Yeah, I definitely get your point about them just opening up a law firm kind of out of the blue. I get the impression it was what they wanted to do and they just decided to go for it and hope for the best. But you're right, they probably did change disciplines as well as suddenly become business owners and no longer having a big form to back them up or more experienced people to give advice, secretaries and paralegals around to do other stuff. They're very much thrown in at the deep end, and you're probably right that they shouldn't have had the experience to handle that. I really wish the show had set the scene where they meet much earlier, then it would be possible to account for discrepancies like that by saying they were interning much longer, they took a year out to work with Rosalind Sharpe, or whatever else. Never mind, I guess it's fiction and it;s not perfect!

Yeah, I don't think you'd get away with drinking at a pub at 16 now, times have changes and landlords will lose their licenses if they get caught. It's a good thing, I suppose. (though there is one club that I know for a fact that all the kids still go to, it's cheap, it's kind of scummy and they actually do a drink called a pangalactic gargleblaster. I've not been for years, but I do love it there) One way of Matt/Mike and Foggy to get away with it might be to move further away from the college. Bartenders near the campus would probably be more vigilant for swarms of underage drinkers than if they go further afield. Or maybe they go to Josies, they might have been regulars there for longer than we realize..!

I'm not sure I'd say Americans are more uptight about drinking (though maybe they are, I don't know!) I just get the impression that it happens later there than here for most people. 21 just seems very old to be having your first drink, and I can't imagine why the age limit is so high. I think it's a cultural thing. But here most people are drinking much earlier than the law says then can, and I'd assume it's the same there? Though our laws are much less clear cut than nothing before 18. You can drink in a pub at 16 with an adult, if you are having a meal, and believe it or not it's actually legal to give a child over the age of 4 a drink in their own home! Wow I'm getting off topic though.

I mostly try to write fic in American English as best I can. I have my computer set up that way, so it actually autocorrects me if I accidentally write colour or realise, etc. It's different words that cause the most trouble. I have a good ear for dialects, and I can usually tell when something I've written doesn't feel right in a certain accent, but I can't always come up with a good alternative. Once I spent most of an evening trying to come up with another word for "cupboard"! But for the most part it's not an issue. Or, I don't think it is. My stuff could be peppered with errors that I haven't spotted, for all I know! :)
From: (Anonymous)
Honesty - I wouldn't have known you were overseas except for the timezone differences and when you first mentioned your 'Mum' instead of "Mom', so you're doing really well with the American English thing. :) That's what made me curious if it was something you were putting effort into or maybe there aren't as many dialect differences as I assumed (when things are in print, anyway.) (Though, one look at a chart comparing UK and American clothing terms and already I'm confused. LOL)

The other thing that had me thinking was I'd been checking into NYC slang to see if there was anything different than what I speak here. LOL I live in the Boston-New York Corridor, so the internet seems to tell me there really isn't much that matters. (I was thinking Mike may have a bit more of a NY accent at times, like his Dad - that's what made me go looking. But I'm not sure if I'd know how to communicate that. I guess the pronunciation is just different? I was hoping to find some local words that would make it more obvious. *shrugs*) But, yeah, NYC is not much more than a train ride away from where I am, so we share a lot of dialect words compared to other parts of the US. Like we say soda instead of pop, sneakers instead of tennis shoes... that kind of thing. Anyway... Kinda struck out. lol. *shrugs*

Let's have the bar be Josie's! I like it! (Besides, much better than any college bar... I remember those as too loud and too kiddish, anyway.) (And, yeah, most of us end up drinking under the age of 21 - one of the reasons I think the law is silly and wonder if it encourages binge drinking in the young. Like the thrill of getting away with something... But, if it were normal, that thrill is gone, you know? Maybe there'd be a healthier social norm in it's place? Maybe not, though.)

Pangalactic gargleblaster sounds epic. That's from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy right? I wonder if the fictional drink is made with fictional liquor? lol. :)
From: (Anonymous)
Accidental eye contact is my favorite scenario too. I figured that was where the thing in the evil twin defense bit came from, and I quite like it like that I think. I think personally, I'd have the eye contact scene happen before that, and maybe even have Foggy having dismissed it. He was drinking too, there was low light in the bar (or wherever they were) and why the hell would someone lie about that anyway? So he's been assuming for a few weeks that he must have been mistaken, but at the same time not been quite able to get it out of his head. Then when Matt says this completely unexpected and random thing about having a twin he's never mentioned before, the whole think comes flooding back and he thinks that if Matt could make up something like this, couldn't he, just possibly, have told this other huge lie too?

It could work with the bar scene after too, but once Matt's planted the identical twin think in his head, he's probably going to be thinking about it all the time, looking for differences in the behavior of the 'Matt' he's with and might even be subconsciously looking for proof one way or another. Matt's told him his brother's impersonating him, so Foggy might view 'Matt' apparently being able to see as proof he's with Mike instead, and start asking trying to catch him out. Which could be fun too, actually, but it would negate the Foggy thinking Matt's lying about being blind thing.

All good points about their practice and their knowledge level etc, and having some kind of experience would account for that, but when would Foggy have done that, do you think? The most likely time would be after undergrad, before law school, which would mean Matt and Foggy did meet at law school, unless Matt found himself a job too, or they would have graduated at different times. Of course, could't they have accumulated a good chunk of this knowledge while the were interning at Landman and Zack? I don't have much knowledge of any of this stuff, and it sounds like you do, so I'll defer to your judgement on it.

No, they haven't mentioned Rosalind Sharpe, I'm assuming she isn't the mom that wanted Foggy to be a butcher! I wish they would give us some back story on him so we don't have to guess and extrapolate from the comics and the few hints we are given! I don't think they're going to give us much though...
From: (Anonymous)
Evil twin defense is an actual real legal defense - they use it to cast doubt that the one being accused actually did the crime. Nope, wasn't me, was this guy with the exact same looks and DNA... LOL Of course, it only works if you're a twin, and even then, good luck... (Yeah, I geek out over legal stuff... But, I'm not qualified to give legal advice and the only legal courses I have taken are undergrad ones. I have a paralegal degree. Which really just gives me enough knowledge to know there's a lot I don't know. LOL. I'm not any kind of expert.)

I like where you're going with Foggy assessing the differences, trying to catch him up... Maybe Mike was outside, listening? With the super-senses Matt doesn't know he has? (After all, he'd just left...)

In the real world, I don't think the internship would've given them enough knowlege. I get the impression there's a reason why more experienced partners oversee the junior associates. After law school, there's still a ton more to learn about whatever you specialize in, I think. I never hear of attorneys, fresh out of law school just hanging their own shingle. But, maybe it happens and I just don't know about it. Maybe it shouldn't matter enough since it's a fic for our entertainment? But, maybe Matt and Foggy are different ages and just happen to now be the same year in school? That, and, say, helping out at his mother's firm, that could just be a part-time summer gig or once in a while on the weekends... Maybe even when he was in high school... There's plenty of little things you could give a teen to do, like filing (not with the court, but sorting all the paper that accumulates, etc.)
From: (Anonymous)
I love that image of him cramming between missions. Maybe even taking stuff with him to read while he's waiting for a bad guy to appear.

Oh! What if later on when Matt's a fully qualified lawyer, he's getting stressed about something and Mike offers him the perfect legal loophole. Matt would be all "How did you know that?" and Mike would lie about seeing on the Good Wife or something.
From: (Anonymous)
LOL Yes!! And Matt makes a mental note ask Foggy about the Good Wife, see if it's any good...

Daredevil/The Man in the Mask seen parkouring over roofs with a textbook clutched to his side? So awesome...

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