collaborative_daredevil | General roleplays

Oh, you know... Maybe the drops are over the top. The tea ceremony might be simplier - just if that's the delivery and Mike figures it out... How does he get another dose or two in? Add it to his soup? (Actually, with the super senses, would Mike taste it? Or, does everything taste strange and powerful and too much?)

Hmm, not sure about the drops. I do think it's a good idea, but how would you explain Stick's thinking re trauma as a catalyst without him saying so. I'm assuming this part will all be Mike's POV? Actually, since Mike has no idea about any of this, it might just be better to leave it alone; he thinks he's blind, he thinks it's permanent, he's trying to deal with it. The tea, the drops (also, if Stick starts messing with his eyes, wouldn't that make him think that maybe he was re-administering something and have him suspicious that the situation isn't what it appears?) could all just be random things that happen, but since it's not being explained to him, it can't really be explained to the reader. We want this scene to be kind of scary, too much explanation might take away from it. Might not even need to mention the tea at this point, not I think of it, we don't have to document every thing that happens to him. Unless you particularly want it in, of course, which is fine.

It could be explained later by Mike to Matt I guess, but is it really needed, or is that scene going to be about the b=very basics, Stick hurt his brother, Matt is pissed.

Not sure, basically. Which is no help whatsoever! Sorry :)

Sorry also that this response is so rushed and weird, I've got a letter all 10 minute lunch break today and I;m running the branch. So much stress! :)

Okay, I might have an idea. I was thinking about this all the way home form work!

What happens the first time Stick doses him with the evil!tea? I think before, in the other comm we said Stick knocks him out and doses him while he’s unconscious? What if instead of that, when Mike agrees to take his training to the next level, Stick gives him the evil!tea than, like it’s some kind of thing they do when someone enters that stage of training. It doesn’t take effect straight away, it takes a little while. In the meantime, Stick pins him down and puts something in his eyes. Doesn’t have to drip it in with a dropper either, he could have a really unhygienic looking flask filled with this stuff, then he pins him down, holds his eyes open and literally pours the stuff over him...

It’s around that time that the tea starts taking effect. Whatever’s in the stuff in his eyes makes then sting and burn, but it’s really just a mild irritant and it’s the evil!tea that’s doing the damage.

That way, even if he would have been suspicious of the tea before, the fact that something got poured in his eyes and that’s when he stopped being able to see would leave little doubt that that was what had done it. Even if he was given the tea again later, I don’t think he’d suspect.

So Stick gets his trauma as a catalyst, and Mike probably gets nightmares for the rest of his life.

Yeah... Re-traumatize him... yes... Poor, poor Mike... I like it. Now, does Matt know how worried Mike is about it being permanent? Also yes... =)

I'd assume he doesn't know that, because Mike wouldn't tell him. Maybe this is just me, but if I'm convinced something awful is going to happen, I keep my mouth shut about it. It's some kind of a superstition, like giving voice to the fear invites it in. So I think he wouldn't even tell Matt that it being permanent was a possibility. In fact, he might make a huge thing of the fact that it's not permanent, that he's done it a bunch of times before and he is completely fine "so please stop worrying, Matt, You're not the only Murdock who can get around in the dark, you know," Or something.

You're right - Mike definitely wouldn't tell him. I don't think he'll ever stop keeping secrets. But, I think Matt knows him well enough that he's suspicious. Especially if it lasts longer than Mike initially said it would...

You're not the only Murdock who can get around in the dark, you know... LOL

I think both their POVs will be fun to right when we get to this. Maybe Matt finds that he likes that there's someone who percieves the world the way he does - but he's also horrified by that fact because he'd never wish this on anyone, especially his brother?

I wonder if Stick gave him a particularly strong dose this time? Hmmm...

Oh God, yes. That's what we're looking for. That sounds much more like a Stick thing to do, too. And the fact that Mike agrees to take it to the next level... That'll haunt him. :) It's not real, informed consent, but it'll make him kick himself for agreeing, maybe make him take some responsibility for his situation? (So f-ed up...)

Probably did, and told him it was a small dose that would probably wear off by the next day. Then it doesn't...

I think Matt would definitely have mixed feelings about the whole thing, when he gets over the anger. Maybe with his additional years of fighting training, Mike is actually more capable than he is when it comes to combat without vision. Not at he everyday stuff, just fighting. Maybe he can even show Matt a thing or two...

Poor Mike, convinced the whole thing is his own fault even through there's no way he could have predicted that Stick would pull that shit. Maybe Stick could even tell him if he gets upset about it (I bet he's got the same temper Matt has, so I can imagine him getting really frustrated and angry at some point, shouting and yelling, maybe punching Stick.) that if he didn't think he could handle it, he shouldn't have agreed. Maybe he told him something really vague about this new level of training that with hindsight it's clear what he meant but at the time it didn't really mean anything.

Actually, random thought. What if that's when Mike's senses start to kick in, maybe even without him noticing. He gets so frustrated about whatever Stick's trying to make him do that he can't, than he starts raging, yelling, screaming crying, whatever, and in his rage, he actually attacks Stick. Stick pretty quickly subdues him, but when he has he points out that Mike was putting up a decent fight, plus managing to block him. When Mike's calmed down, Stick has him try whatever they were doing again, and he can do it.

Also, I was thinking Stick should be a bit nice to him sometimes. Like that time for example. In this kind of gruff way that's actually not that nice. He gets that Mike's scared and angry, but it's working. Maybe tells him he's proud of him or something...

LOL I like it. Instead it lasts 6 or 7...

It would make much more sense for Mike to be the much better fighter now, overall. (Though maybe, in the beginning, before he dropped Matt and took Mike to... "the next level", Matt had the advantage?) I also wonder if this Matt would have been as motivated to keep up with the training all those years if he had a brother. (Then again, maybe he's better because he had Mike to spar with and teach him new things.) I wonder how it would change him having more emotional support growing up? Of course, it goes both ways with him & Mike, but I figure Mike has a big negative against his emotional/mental health with all that extra exposure to Stick as he's not a healthy influence.

I wonder if Matt ever switched with Mike? Like, if he ever wanted to do stuff people would assume he needs sight for, like ride a bicycle? Hit the batting cage? lol. (Maybe after Foggy is in the know about Mike but not about their senses, Matt decides to hit a few balls or take Mike's bike for a spin and runs into Foggy? LOL)

If he couldn't handle it, he shouldn't have agreed... To have that thrown in his face would sting... I really like the anger angle. I think it's the way to go. And Stick being "proud" of him... Oh, poor Mike....

I just had this zany thought. (I'm working on homework and my subconscious or whatever starts throwing ideas at me about this instead, I guess. lol) Mike gets accused of being the Man in the Mask... So Matt shows up. (And they'd never believe it's Matt standing in for him because he's blind, right?) It's just the... it's that he actually is the Man in the Mask in the show, but for our story it's a weird element, him being the 'normal' one, I think that's tickling me. Dunno.

I wrote some stuff last night - very nearly posted it. Still on the fence because I think it could us away from some of the crazy antics. (Kind of like what happened with the fluff. lol. I blame Matt and Mike for that...) After I get my hw in shape tonight I'll take another look at it. (Stuff I wrote was more conversation with Matt and Mike and some of Matt's observations as Mike left. Actually, it's probably fine and I was just overtired.) Anyway, I was thinking - maybe Foggy wasn't in the library after all? Instead, maybe Foggy has an hour and a half class somewhere across campus. Mike decides to go talk to him... Almost fesses up, but then doesn't? He wanted to do it for Matty, but then he either chickens out, or thinks to himself that he'll just do it later...

I was thinking maybe Mike is afraid to have a normal life and normal friends... But he wants some normal friends. So, maybe he likes hanging out with Foggy as 'Matt'? One final hurrah out on the town before he thinks Foggy will say good riddance? (And maybe Matt gets pissed? lol Such a temper sometimes... Maybe lead into that epic fight in front of Foggy?)

I also had a thought about our time-line. We've been saying that it's been 6 months since they've seen each other. In the US, the school year for high school students ends the tail end of June. So, that puts them into January? (If he splits with Stick after graduation. Maybe it's later...) The spring semester starts the last week of February, generally. If school has been in session a few weeks, that's March... ? (Originally, I'd been thinking this was the fall semester, but then I realized it wouldn't work - besides if they're in the spring semester, it would have given Matt and Foggy time to become good friends? And Foggy to know what pre-Mike times looked like?) So maybe Mike stuck around until Matt started at Columbia? (I'm also thinking he never really left, Matt just thought he did? Because of the letter?) So, maybe this is March?

Invited me in... Sounds like he's a vampire. LOL... So, fluff… I honestly didn’t intend on fluff… It just happened as they began talking to each other… So, maybe Mike can’t just go to Foggy to piss Matt off right now, but… That’s ok, as maybe Mike knows both their schedules and… Foggy has class for an hour and a half this morning, somewhere across campus… ? *shrugs*

Matt stands up from his seat. “That’s one of my spare canes… You’re still pretending to be me.”

“Yes, Matty, I am.”

“Why?!”

“I’m not leaving you. I swear. I’m just not in a place in my life where I can do normal right now.”

“What?”

“You trust me, right?”

“Yes. Of course.”

“Well, then, study up, and I’ll see you later.”

Matt cocks his head to the side, listening for signs that they were being watched. “Alright. I don’t understand it, but I’m going to hold you to it.”

Mike smiles and waves as he turns to leave. As he takes his first steps forward, he sweeps Matt’s cane in a wide arch, in the exact, practiced manner that Matt does. Matt listens, somewhat astonished. His brother appears to move just like he would. If he didn’t already know why, he’d wonder why Mike was so practiced.

Matt is baffled by his brother’s behavior. It’s as if he is afraid of living his own life? Or at least, afraid to allow himself anything that might be construed as normal. Matt knows from experience that Stick did not want them to have relationships, friends, or to surround themselves with “soft” things. For that very reason he doesn’t feel bad about allowing himself the indulgence of silk sheets on his twin bed.

What is Mike up to? He’s tempted to follow, but… He doesn’t want to wait another six months to talk to his brother again.

Ohhh.. Maybe Matt notices Foggy's absence, goes out looking, suspecting Mike. Maybe that's how it happens? Their epic tussle?

(I was thinking maybe Matt thought it was a Stick related thing at first, and then he thinks it's not? Or doesn't care if it is? So he maybe goes out looking? Maybe does some parkour? Doesn't know about Josie's, so it takes a while? Here he'd been thinking it was serious, but instead they're out for drinks without him? *shrugs*)

Ohh.. Maybe Matt introduces himself as 'Mike' to Foggy... LOL

I love the idea of Matt pretending to be Mike. Maybe that's even where Mike's think with pretending to be him started. Like, Matt really wanted to do something that he shouldn't really be able to do, and Mike says he can't becuase it'd look weird if the blind kid can suddenly hit the ball accurately every time, or whatever. But Matt says it won;t becuase the blind kid will be sitting over there, and hands him his cane and sends him to sit on a bench and pretend to read a book or something. So really, the switching thing is like Matt's fault becuase he started it!

Maybe Mike's even weirded out by the whole thing at first and convinced someone's going to notice, but they don't, and some people even come over and talk to him and he replies as Matt and they are fooled. Then he' shocked. Maybe they even seem to want to hang out with him more when he's Matt, so he does it more and more. Matt gets annoyed with it, but Mike says they're nicer to him as Matt. Matt's all "They're not being nice, they feel sorry for me." But Mike doesn't think he's right, (and he's actually not, they really do want to be his friend but Matt's stand-of fish becuase he's paranoid about why people want to be around him) and he's enjoying having friends end if he does have to be Matt to do it. Yeah, I might just have written a whole chapter in my head, actually..! But the point of all that was that when Matt is complaining bout Mike impersonating him, he tells him it was Matt's idea in the first place.

Dunno, would Mike teach Matt things when they were kids?. If Stick has dropped him as a student and now he knows what an asshole Stick is, MIke wants to keep him away from Matt, maybe he wouldn't becuase he wants to keep him safe. Or becuase he wants to have something that he's better at. But then later on when Matt finds out about the super senses and Stick's super evil training methods, Matt realizes Mike's actually better at some things while blind than he is, and he asks Mike for pointers.

That sounds cool, but I'm not sure how it would work. Does Matt try to convince people he's the man in the mask? Or does someone snap a photo of Mike taking his mask off and everyone's trying to work out who it is, so Matt has to come forward and claim it was him doing... something vaguely plausible but totally unlikely... and people just kind of believe him because he clearly has the right face, and there's no way he could be Daredevil. If we can come up with a way to make it work it could be pretty awesome.

I read the stuff you posted, I'm glad you decided to. Also, theres nothing wrong with fluff, I think this story probably needs a halted dose of it to get away from the angst overload! :) Yeah, he doesn't have to talk to Foggy now, he can do it whenever, so Matt doesn't know abut it. Maybe the fight should be a few weeks down the line from where we're at now, give Matt chance to be ignored a few more times when he tells Mike to fess up, give Foggy a few more chances to be confused about Matt inventing a brother, so Matt gets good and pissed about it all (he seems reasonably chill right now, just being happy that Mike's back in his life)
Also, you're right, the invited in thing does sound a bit vampire-y. I thought it when I wrote it, but I couldn't think of another way to say it. Might be best to change that!

Where do you think the story should go from here though? I'm thinking cut to Mike talking to Foggy, maybe Foggy's POV and him analyzing everything, trying to work out whether there could actually be two Murdocks, then deciding there is no way this isn't the same Matt he spoke to that morning but in different (way more hideous) clothes. That could be where h invites him out to Josies, maybe with the intention of telling him later, but gets distracted by some girl or decides to leave it a bit longer.

I'm definitely with you on the Mike vs friends thing. Also by this point in his life, he probably wouldn't know how to make a friend. It's not like he goes to school or has a job where he can meet people in a normal way. So even if he did want normal friends, which you're right he probably would be afraid to do, he probably wouldn't be able to, so he might be a bit jealous of Matt for that.

Dates etc, not sure. I guess Mike hasn't been around the whole time Matt's been at Columbia, or he would have mentioned him to Foggy, but when he actually disappeared, could have been after they graduated high school or before Matt moved into the dorm at college. The six month thing isn;t set in stone, but I'd say setting it around March time might be best, if we actually have to name a time of year, for the reasons you said. And yeah, he might not have been away really. He might have been keeping an eye on his brother. He might even have been impersonating Matt for longer than he realizes!

Haha, I kinda like that.

Only trouble is, it'd just re-inforce the Matt's making stuff up thing that Foggy's got in his head.

Oooh, unless Matt's just doing it to mess with him. Like Mike and Foggy are hanging out, Mike in disguise, and Matt goes over to them and and and introduces himself. Foggy would be so baffled. Especially when it turned out that Mike was Matt and vice versa. Matt explains that Mike was never going to appear as himself, so Matt did it for him. Not like Mike can complain with what he's been up to recently!

Talking of the later scene when Mike's blinded again, I wrote a thing. Kinda like an intro to that scene. Not sure that exactly you were thinking for how Matt realizes what's going on, but I had this little idea and it wouldn't go away. You want me to post it? Obviously we wouldn't have to use it.

Yes - that was exactly what I was thinking... :) Sorry, it was 2:20 a.m. when I sent that one. In my head, I was thinking they were out at the bar, Mike's had a few.. and Matt walks up, taps Foggy on the shoulder and introduces himself as 'Mike'.

(I've been having issues sleeping - have a 10 minute presentation tomorrow that's making me nervous. If it were something I were into, say a legal concept or something system analysis and design related, I wouldn't be half as nervous, but instead it's about why you should hire me. I'm hoping I'll end up on the second day - I think it would take the edge off to watch other people do it first.)

Doesn't have to be that exact scenario - I was thinking maybe it's part of the lead in to their fight in front of a baffled Foggy. lol

Sure!! I'd love to see it. I'm really curious.

Oh, I meant that Mike gets accused of being The Man in the Mask by someone, so Matt shows up in costume while Mike is there out there in plain clothes. And, yeah, they know he has an identical twin, but there's no way it could be Matt, he's blind... Though, come to think of it, this scenario would carry more weight if Mike actually had the beginning of some sort of regular life. Though, that other thing could work really well, too - Matt could say it was a Halloween costume. LOL Or, maybe he was going to Comic Con? That's in NYC and people cosplay... :)

Yeah - I think the fluff and fun should help balance out all the lovely angst. And yeah, I like the fight being a few weeks out.

Actually, I thought the vampirey statement was kinda cute for Mike - he does kind of show up almost like this otherworldly creature - the only one who knows he's there is Matt.

That works for me - if I had continued, I would've sent him after Foggy. Maybe Mike pretends to be distracted by a girl or whatever - he can't go back to the dorm where Matt is... Then Foggy is confused that when he arrives home Matt is already in bed asleep... LOL

Yeah, probably more than a little envious. Poor Mike.

Do you think Mike believes in Stick's war? Or is he with him because it's the only thing he can see himself doing? (Well, until maybe he has the Man in the Mask/Daredevil identity going for him for a while.)

LOL Yeah, maybe even on the first day... Had to make sure his brother was going to be ok. (Part of the reason I wanted to reason it out was to figure out the weather. Well, that and help me figure out what Mike is thinking.)

Yes! I like that. Matt must get tired of having to play real-world blind all the time and finds a way out and loves it... And it could also be the beginnings of Mike thinking he can't have his own friends because of who he is, but likes that he can have them as 'Matt'. This all being Matt's fault is kind of hilarious, too. :)

That could be. That makes sense. If Matt keeps up his fighting skills, there's the danger that Stick might take him back and Mike doesn't want that. (And maybe to have something he's better at. LOL.) And so, maybe Matt keeps up on his own somewhat because his brother is off training with Stick. I like the idea of Mike being better at some things while blind... I'm guessing Stick may have wanted him to spend a good part of his training blindfolded to make him make use of his other senses.

(I read your comments on my cell while I was on lunch - today we had a luncheon... couldn't really whip out my tablet and keyboard... Then I had school after work. That's why I'm later than usual. Can't wait for Thursday...)

Yeah Ilike that idea. If Matt's finally gotten sick of Mike always being unavailable or outright refusing to come and meet Foggy properly. I wonder what Foggy's reaction would be though? I bet he's be pretty angry with Mike for misleading him. Y'know, once he's worked out which on Mike is!

That sounds scary, I hope it goes well. I'm terrible with public speaking. Or speaking at all, to be honest! I'll cross my fingers you get to watch a few people first, that will almost definitely help. Good luck!

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Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil

Re: Where Matt has a real identical twin named Mike who is sighted and is Daredevil